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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:38 pm    Post subject: Manx build Reply with quote

I am still working on the body when work allows... it is a lot of sanding filling Repeat ! I beefed up the headlight area as mentioned by Surfnc. I then went to the back to fill various holes including the license plate area and taillights I will be using the original type 1s that I have.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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as mentioned I still have a ways to go I got some more items for the buggy after sleeping on it for a while I decided to stay VW.to be exact

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Waserboxer? Odd choice for a Buggy, where are you going to mount the radiator?

What does your id plate read? Does it end -1? That mix of Manx 1 body and Manx 2 hood is rare but not unique.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: MANX 1 Reply with quote

manxdavid wrote:
A Waserboxer? Odd choice for a Buggy, where are you going to mount the radiator?

What does your id plate read? Does it end -1? That mix of Manx 1 body and Manx 2 hood is rare but not unique.


The radiator will mount to the firewall the number is M3379c020E-2
march 70 It is a manx 1
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heres some pictures of a buggy off of manxmaniacs web sight in the Uk with the Rad in the front and a Wasserboxer out Back
owner goes buy the name AgentOrange
http://www.manxmaniac.co.uk/index.php
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of work for questionable gain IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kreelak thanks for that link

David, 60-80 hp over the 40 hp it had does not seem questionable to me.

Lee
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duguda Duguda wrote:
Kreelak thanks for that link

David, 60-80 hp over the 40 hp it had does not seem questionable to me.

Lee


Sure, a good enough engine when new but they suffer from serious internal corrosion issues if not meticulously serviced. I'd choose a Type 4 motor over it any day plus no radiator and plumbing required, but that's just me.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

manxdavid wrote:
Duguda Duguda wrote:
Kreelak thanks for that link

David, 60-80 hp over the 40 hp it had does not seem questionable to me.

Lee


Sure, a good enough engine when new but they suffer from serious internal corrosion issues if not meticulously serviced. I'd choose a Type 4 motor over it any day plus no radiator and plumbing required, but that's just me.


This is true for any engine.. I am fine with my selection thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not really familiar with these water cooled flat fours, but, I do attend a lot of shows in the UK and Its always nice to see something different. If you are worried about corrosion in your engine, there is a perfect solution for you

http://www.evanscoolants.co.uk/

The fluid is waterless, has a really high boiling point and doesn't need changing. Its ideal for a new build as there is no need to flush out the residue.

It also has the added bonus in that you can still say your buggy isn't water cooled!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:25 am    Post subject: manx 2 Reply with quote

Duguda Build how ever the Heck you want to build its your Buggy , everybody has two cent But its yours and build it to your specks that will make you loveit and enjoy it ! Its a Dune Buggy everyone is a little Different!, You can always change it down the road!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like you are doing some great work. I am glad to see the Manx is coming back alive!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin, yeah we have that in the states a lot of diesel guys use it thanks!

Frizzard, exactly its nothing that cannot be undone..


Mike , yeah I am getting there thanks again!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

manxdavid wrote:
Duguda Duguda wrote:
Kreelak thanks for that link

David, 60-80 hp over the 40 hp it had does not seem questionable to me.

Lee


Sure, a good enough engine when new but they suffer from serious internal corrosion issues if not meticulously serviced. I'd choose a Type 4 motor over it any day plus no radiator and plumbing required, but that's just me.


The irony of your statement: type4 was replaced in the Vanagon with the waterboxer due to a very short lifespan unless babied it's whole life.
I have owned both air and water cooled and the watercooled is a far better engine. Most often the bad rap comes from someone buying a used high mile vanagon with leaking heads only to find themselves spending another 2,000 dollars to fix it. buyer beware. On the other hand most every type4 vanagon has dropped valve seats under 100,000miles and some much sooner also costing close to the same to fix correctly.
That "serious corrosion" is tied to the heads on high mileage vanagons.
Much of the corrosion is due to zero coolant service and often with hard water and wrong coolant. Coolants and sealants are much better today than when the waterboxer was designed.
The waterboxer block is far more sturdy than a type1 and better designed than the type4 . Align boring is rarer than even the type4 even with a harder life.
As soon as a waterboxer is put in a lighter car even more reliability is enjoyed especially when the cooling system is simplified.
At this point its cheaper to build a 2.1 waterboxer than a 2110 type1 using a new case. most of the waterboxer can be reused and rebuilt, cylinders still look new with 200k, type 1 performance cams can be used with or without modifications.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, good engines when introduced but I wouldn't touch one with a bargepole these days unless I knew its full life/service history, and 'today's improved coolants and sealants' have come out far too late for most of these units.

All purely my opinions though you understand.

My principal problems are that:

a) I just love the compact 'stand-alone' simplicity of the air cooled unit and

b) A Waserboxer would be 'period incorrect' for a classic Meyers Manx.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David that is your prerogative.. I believe That Bruce Meyers built the Manx the way he did was so that everyone could add their own personal touch to it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I am a bit on an old 'stick-in-the -mud'... Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok got the body lift off. and removed the seat mounts . I had some reinforcements welded in place which makes the floor much stiffer.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sitting back to normal
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Floor cleaned up and seat mounts that were welded to the tunnel removed

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your supports look like a pretty good idea to me. I like it.
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