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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2224 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: HP street 1679 cam? |
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I have some thick wall 88's and some nice ported (still round) heads, 40 Dell's, ce crank and a 1.5 merged header. I was leaning towards a Web 86a. I want it to be super fun and drivable on the street and maybe rag race every once in a while. I have a spare set of 1.4 rockers.ughts on this cam choice? I'm thicking a fk7 would.be too small and an fk8 would.be to.big. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
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yamaducci Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Once you approach the .500"ish range with stock valves and limited porting you are not going to see much more benefit than if you stay with a lower lift cam. But what you will see is unecesary hammering on the valve train.
If you didn't run out of flow at that lift with those valves and ports then I say have fun. _________________ -John Cox
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2224 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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The heads are ported nicely and have bigger than stock valves. I was told. 40x35, but look to be 39x32. I'll take them apart shortly to cut for dual springs and measure. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
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yamaducci Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Then it sounds like you will have fun with this cam. You'll definitley need the dual springs. Keep us posted. _________________ -John Cox
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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check for coil bind. |
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James Arredondo Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2005 Posts: 64 Location: Paso Robles, CA.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I had a K8 in my 1679.
Specs;
69 CW Crank
Stock Weight Flywheel
Stock Rods
Engle K 8 w/Scat 1.4 rockers
Cima/Mahle 88's w/ Berg Cylinders
Jeff Denham Heads, Oval ports 40x35.5
1 1/2 merged exhaust w/ Dual QP's
Dual 40 Dell's
This was such a fun motor. I put the K8 in it for shits n giggles just to see how it would run. I was quite happy with it. It was plenty streetable and would pull some good RPM with my close ratio gear box. IMHO, if your able to "play" with different combo's, do it. Of course watch all your tolerances and make sure with a cam this size to run dual springs and some sort of heavy duty push rod. |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2224 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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The cam actually only lifts to .468 with 1.4 rockers and ..252@50 duratio.
I think the duration on a fk8 would suffer with a stock ratio trans. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7219 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Scat C45 w. 1,25 to 1,3 rockers would be killer, - and very driveable.
T |
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midtravelmidengine Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2009 Posts: 861 Location: Riverside, Ca
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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FK-42, Done. _________________
modok wrote: |
And I know you don't know because if you did you would know the reason for my knowing you didn't. |
youngnstudly wrote: |
I just wasn't sure if I should recommend the 1/3 race cam, the 1/2 race cam, or the 5/8 race cam instead...guess it depends on how much of the race he wants to lead???
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2224 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Anyone ever run an 86a in anything? _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:10 am Post subject: |
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86a is a great choice. It is quiet, smooth and easy on your valve train and makes a great street cam. A mildly tuned 2.0 914 I drove with a 86a ran great. The quality of web products make them an excellent choice. The whole 86 series are all good cams. The 86b would be a little too much for a stock stroke street motor. The 86-5 is also a choice it is 244@ .050 if you want more low end. I am a web dealer if you don't have it yet. Dan |
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Bewitched Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 146
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:24 am Post subject: |
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W120 and 1.25 rockers |
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Bewitched wrote: |
W120 and 1.25 rockers |
That would not be easy on his valve train and he allready has 1.40 rockers. It's a street car. Dan |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2224 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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That would not be easy on his valve train and he allready has 1.40 rockers. It's a street car. Dan[/quote]
True _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7219 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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On a side note I find it rather interesting that a good deal of builders like the 86a cam. To me its a sort of in between cam that never really impresses me, rather difficult to tune, and the power is sort of over when I expect it to really strain the harness.
But we arent alike, and we do not expect/want the same out of a built engine.
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Bewitched Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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1.4 rockers,FK7 or 8 |
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Alstrup wrote: |
On a side note I find it rather interesting that a good deal of builders like the 86a cam. To me its a sort of in between cam that never really impresses me, rather difficult to tune, and the power is sort of over when I expect it to really strain the harness.
But we arent alike, and we do not expect/want the same out of a built engine.
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You right to a certain extent, the 86a in a long stroke engine will feel a little short of breath but in a 69X88 no way.
As far as tuning I have never had a problem tuning any of the 86 series cams including the 86c.
Some of the higher lift ratio rocker cams out there might make a little more power but at a cost in longevity. I like keeping street motors below .500 valve lift.
Another advantage of the 86a is it has a very blunt nose (not sharp) and tends to wear better. Dan |
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Alstrup Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Alright. Might have to try that in a smaller engine some day.
FK 7 would´nt be a bad choice either if the 1,4 rockers should be used.
T |
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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NJ John wrote: |
The cam actually only lifts to .468 with 1.4 rockers and ..252@50 duratio.
I think the duration on a fk8 would suffer with a stock ratio trans. |
I had a fk8 in my 1874 with 388 ghia trans then a 388 with 93 4th, i liked the 93 4th better, ran great, even with 19x33 mickey thompson street tires,a shorter tire would just be quicker still.great topend pull |
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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mark tucker wrote: |
NJ John wrote: |
The cam actually only lifts to .468 with 1.4 rockers and ..252@50 duratio.
I think the duration on a fk8 would suffer with a stock ratio trans. |
I had a fk8 in my 1874 with 388 ghia trans then a 388 with 93 4th, i liked the 93 4th better, ran great, even with 19x33 mickey thompson street tires,a shorter tire would just be quicker still.great topend pull |
I would go with 1.33 rockers or 1.4 with the correct springs. |
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