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tristanblue Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:49 pm Post subject: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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I was wondering if anyone knows if the locking front spindle-bearing nuts on the bay buses 68-79 would fit on the later 64-67 split bus spindles? I know the drums, bearings and brakes are the same so wonder if I could upgrade to these locking style nuts
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vw-axle-nut-dansk-211405669
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ezcamper Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2001 Posts: 896 Location: Atlantic Beach, FL
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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yes. I use those on my bus. _________________ I make HWE style roof racks, Jim-Dandy racks, SO-33 metal parts, Dormobile racks, HWE style ladders, engine crank start handles, Westy rack tags, Binz tags, Sundial badges, State of California tags, steering lock electrical covers and single / double cab gate latch friction blocks.
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mdege Samba Member
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9905 Location: idaho
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Yes, they fit and work, and they are an improvement over the early double nut with lockplate setup. Highly recommended upgrade. _________________ .
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70bus Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2004 Posts: 535 Location: P.O.
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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So yes, bay spindle nuts work on a late split front spindle. So why will my hubs not go on?
As far as I can figure, there would be three causes:
bug hubs, drum not fully seated, or clamp nuts from some other car.
Hubs were sold to me as correct for bus
drum seems seated (but tests or measurements to doublecheck welcome)
Did later bays have bigger nuts? I dont see any obvious fresh contact points.
I have some aftermarket clamp nuts to try, but they are smaller and the finish on them is not nice, so prefer to use OG if possible. If nothing else I'll use the double nuts, but want to eliminate any other issues like loose drums first, obviously. _________________ Craig K
70 Neunsitzer
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RWK Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2009 Posts: 1337 Location: S.W. MI
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Those drums don't look right to me, look like 66-67 bug drums to me, early bus don't have the webbing /ribs, late 1 ton do, but look different. _________________ 73 Type 181
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70bus Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2004 Posts: 535 Location: P.O.
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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My original drums were stamped 211 405 615 B, and tho these are Brazillian BALI and not embossed, the NOS boxes had the same number.
This post has my concern about drum being slightly different, and meadurements taken.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10194958&highlight=scare#10194958
None of that means they aren't the wrong drum! _________________ Craig K
70 Neunsitzer
65 Pritschenwagen
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RWK Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2009 Posts: 1337 Location: S.W. MI
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Here are some pics of late OG drums I have, first pic has some rd. bosses, they are 67, yours have 14 mm lug bolts? Caps look taller also, but probably the pic angle
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70bus Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2004 Posts: 535 Location: P.O.
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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Your caps do seem taller.
Original drum
Drum openings same size at least. _________________ Craig K
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70bus Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2004 Posts: 535 Location: P.O.
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Tried the aftermarket clamp nuts; they’re fine, but smaller clamping area and smaller Allen bolt, so not as good as OG. Smaller, so should fit…. Nope, cap still won’t go on. Some more measurements reveal the issue
Original drum
Original cap
Brazilian drum
Whole mm wider. Probably not a good idea nor practical to grind down the drum, so any recommendations on caps of cheaper quality (which might deform a bit, or easier to cut wider)? _________________ Craig K
70 Neunsitzer
65 Pritschenwagen
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DadAdventure Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2020 Posts: 22 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Any recommendations on a source for OG spindle locking nuts, and if not, a source for the best current versions? I have '63 bus with 1 ton axles.
Thanks very much. |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14218 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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70bus wrote: |
Brazilian drum
Whole mm wider. Probably not a good idea nor practical to grind down the drum, so any recommendations on caps of cheaper quality (which might deform a bit, or easier to cut wider)? |
Is there a Brazilian cap ? |
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70bus Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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I've seen bug ones but not bus so far... _________________ Craig K
70 Neunsitzer
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RWK Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2009 Posts: 1337 Location: S.W. MI
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Find someone with a lathe, it's an easy job, then use the stock caps, you'll probably never replace the drums. _________________ 73 Type 181
63 Type 113
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10192 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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I’ve ran into that problem before with some of the disc brake kits. I believe you can still buy those later caps new.
One source (I think these are the right ones)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175203112699?chn=ps&_...gJxn_D_BwE |
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70bus Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Thanks all; I think the path for now is to pick up a pair of those new ones, and if they dont fit take them to be machined. Next time I take off the drums, take THEM out to be machined, and then never worry about the caps. I have a friend with a small lathe who can handle the caps (and will be hapy they are clean). Or I'll win the lottery and buy a pair of those nice German WW drums.... _________________ Craig K
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6558 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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70bus wrote: |
Thanks all; I think the path for now is to pick up a pair of those new ones, and if they dont fit take them to be machined. |
I would ask the person selling the new dust caps to measure the inside diameter. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6558 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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Does anyone here have a Brazil split window bus with similar drums? I wonder if there is a mismatch between the Brazil and German parts. Here's a picture of the part on a Kombi.
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70bus Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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ebay listing Greg pointed out says they are 53mm interior, which should do the trick. If not, they were cheap - and likely cheaper metal - so should be easy to turn or just bang into submission. We'll see. _________________ Craig K
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6558 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Will bay bus locking front spindle nuts work on 64-67 split bus? |
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It will be very nice ones you get them installed. I updated my listing to include the needed larger dust caps. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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