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Little Harry Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2011 Posts: 340 Location: Marquez, Texas
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swhitcomb wrote: |
I think they're pretty cool. Fwiw, bug pans are narrower, not shorter. If you out Ghia pans on a bug chassis it it exactly the same as a Ghia. |
See there it happened again, I was wrong. Everyone please take note _________________ 1973 VW Karmann Ghia - 1679cc, Kadrons, MoFoCo 041's, Tri-Mil Euro, Interstate Battery, and a little rust.
Zack1978 wrote: |
From my perspective vintage VW's are beyond being used for daily driver purposes. It would be best to have your car parked in a garage, and kept away from the elements on a daily basis. Zack |
Uhhh...yeah...I disagree |
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Volfandt Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2012 Posts: 500 Location: Knox County, East TN
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:55 am Post subject: |
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I don't have a problem w/a fiberglass Ghia replica.
It tells me two things:
1) Ghia's are still popular enough to warranty this high example of flattery.
2) Should increase the value of a "real" Ghia.
He is quite proud of their value tho
Dave _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia, the Dragon slayer.... |
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2903 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Little Harry wrote: |
See there it happened again, I was wrong. Everyone please take note |
Dude, that's like, TWICE now!
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2903 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Volfandt wrote: |
I don't have a problem w/a fiberglass Ghia replica.
It tells me two things:
1) Ghia's are still popular enough to warranty this high example of flattery.
2) Should increase the value of a "real" Ghia.
He is quite proud of their value tho
Dave |
I just want a Ghia I can drive though salt-filled slush and not worry about it taking 5 years off the life of the car!
Paul |
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Greezy Joe Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2010 Posts: 1534 Location: Crawfordville, Fl
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Altema wrote: |
Little Harry wrote: |
See there it happened again, I was wrong. Everyone please take note |
Dude, that's like, TWICE now!
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I thought I was wrong once but I was Mistaken
Back on track, if the body was available as a kit to be assembled by the owner would be cool and save some cash. _________________ Current:74 Ghia Coupe w/ 2276
71 Ghia Vert w/ 1835
07 GMC Truck
12 Jeep Wrangler
73 Harley FLH 93 cid
89 Harley 883 Sportster (1200)
Owned before: 58, 69 Ghia Coupes, 64 Canvas Sunroof, 68, 72, 73, & 74 Bugs, 63 Single Cab, 65 Bus, 66 & 70 Camper
" Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it'll muffle the sound". |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13943 Location: Southampton U.K.
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KGCoupe Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 3580 Location: Putting the "ill" and "annoy" in Illinois
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Just making sure I understand this correctly - VW will send their lawyers after you if you use their logo in your company's merchandise or advertising, but won't if your company is making a replica of the entire vehicle? |
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Crankey Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2004 Posts: 2652
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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fiberglass is a good material for bodywork. not as romantic as steel or aluminum, but it's still very good.
I had a 71 vert ghia that I loved quite a bit. but I lacked the funds and skills to remove the rust....
a chance came up to buy an intermeccanica speedster in daily driver status, sold the ghia and got the speedster.
the speedster fiberglass is strong enough to dent American metal truck body without damaging itself I know this from experience. so if the fiberglass work is done right it's very strong.
these days I have the skills to do this kind of metalwork, but I still like fiberglass too. still have the speedster and after daily driving it fore several years I'd say it's a great car if it's built right. |
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Greezy Joe Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2010 Posts: 1534 Location: Crawfordville, Fl
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Crankey, that makes me want a 550 replica with a Raby Type 4 That would be bad to the bone. But hey a fiberglass Ghia to race, yeeeeee-haaaaaa _________________ Current:74 Ghia Coupe w/ 2276
71 Ghia Vert w/ 1835
07 GMC Truck
12 Jeep Wrangler
73 Harley FLH 93 cid
89 Harley 883 Sportster (1200)
Owned before: 58, 69 Ghia Coupes, 64 Canvas Sunroof, 68, 72, 73, & 74 Bugs, 63 Single Cab, 65 Bus, 66 & 70 Camper
" Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it'll muffle the sound". |
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Little Harry Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2011 Posts: 340 Location: Marquez, Texas
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: |
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KGCoupe wrote: |
Just making sure I understand this correctly - VW will send their lawyers after you if you use their logo in your company's merchandise or advertising, but won't if your company is making a replica of the entire vehicle? |
This is a very good question. I wonder if he obtained permission from VW? I wonder what it cost him if he did? _________________ 1973 VW Karmann Ghia - 1679cc, Kadrons, MoFoCo 041's, Tri-Mil Euro, Interstate Battery, and a little rust.
Zack1978 wrote: |
From my perspective vintage VW's are beyond being used for daily driver purposes. It would be best to have your car parked in a garage, and kept away from the elements on a daily basis. Zack |
Uhhh...yeah...I disagree |
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noslzzp Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2011 Posts: 147
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Little Harry wrote: |
KGCoupe wrote: |
Just making sure I understand this correctly - VW will send their lawyers after you if you use their logo in your company's merchandise or advertising, but won't if your company is making a replica of the entire vehicle? |
This is a very good question. I wonder if he obtained permission from VW? I wonder what it cost him if he did? |
Maybe that explains the high price? _________________ Introducing the Basilari 306R.. A low light Ghia, performance chassis and 300HP boxer six.
http://www.basilari.com/category/buildupdates/ |
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bugninva Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2004 Posts: 8858 Location: sound it out.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Little Harry wrote: |
KGCoupe wrote: |
Just making sure I understand this correctly - VW will send their lawyers after you if you use their logo in your company's merchandise or advertising, but won't if your company is making a replica of the entire vehicle? |
This is a very good question. I wonder if he obtained permission from VW? I wonder what it cost him if he did? |
i don't think it matters.... if they are not using the trademark, then all is good... if they went after him for producing parts(the body is considered a "part") then they would need to go after the other places producing bodyparts. they fight for their name and trademarks _________________
[email protected] wrote: |
With a show of hands, who has built over 1000 engines in the last 25 years? Anyone? |
GEX has. Just sayin |
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cseay1 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 1341 Location: Elkwood VA
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:18 am Post subject: |
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I wonder if there will ever come a day that someone produces a steel body shell for the Ghia. They're making them for 57 Chevys, 66 Mustangs, 69 Camaros, and 70 Challengers so why not the Ghia? Or Oval Beetles? Finding rust free cars is getting harder and harder, and for those who can't do the work themselves end up paying a restoration shop cubic dollars just to bring a rot bucket up to a solid shell.
Personally I prefer the solid "thunk" of closing a steel car door opposed to the hollow "fwap" of a fiberglass one. |
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tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Aside from all copyright issues with the Volkswagen factory, and the purists' ethical objections , I don't think that producing a quality full metal repro Karmann Ghia body would be a commercially viable plan. It's basically a very curvy, all welded, hand made car; that combination right there means huge $$$ to build.
Even for the cost of a full body restoration at a reputable shop (of course not including the paintwork), I doubt that someone can fabricate an exact and 100% convincing steel replica Karmann Ghia body (if he was ever allowed by the Volkswagen factory, which I also highly doubt) as a long term business.
I do admire the out of the box thinking _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
you don't have to be crazy to be into VW's, but it sure helps!!
.... if it ain't dutch, it ain't much! |
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cseay1 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 1341 Location: Elkwood VA
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One thing to consider though is how far metal forming technology has come since the last ghia body was hammer welded together nearly 40 years ago. Why it's been nearly a decade since Jaguar came out with that hydroformed hood, with the contours that flowed seamlessly from the headlamps to the cowl. That was such an amazing feat that it was featured prominently in advertising for the car.
But you are true that any replica, steel or glass, is not the same as the real thing. I am very happy with my rotted 68 coupe that I paid $500 for, because I enjoy metal work. But I recently sold a 67 Camaro RS/SS that was so rotted you could stick your finger through the car anywhere for $6500 to someone who was going to spend another $12,000 for a new shell to "rebody" it, and in the end have a $60,000 numbers matching highly desirable car with an all new steel body. I don't see any VW ever reaching that level of insanity. |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13943 Location: Southampton U.K.
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todd73ghia Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2006 Posts: 180
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:50 am Post subject: |
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I think it's awesome. But it would be no more mechanically reliable than an original. |
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cseay1 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 1341 Location: Elkwood VA
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am Post subject: |
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John Moxon wrote: |
...Split Window Beetles, Barndoor Buses and Deluxe Split Screen Buses are there already. |
True .. of course anyone who chooses to drive a bus is either a hippie or otherwise a little "off" in some fashion lol |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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carl4x4 Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2012 Posts: 679 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:08 am Post subject: |
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John Moxon wrote: |
cseay1 wrote: |
I don't see any VW ever reaching that level of insanity. |
Give it time and the Ghia will be there...Split Window Beetles, Barndoor Buses and Deluxe Split Screen Buses are there already.
Once you see Gerson making panels for Lowlight Ghias you'll know we've arrived at the same scenario. |
I'm a firm beleiver that Karmann Ghias are under-priced compared to the rest of the market. Early 911, 912, 356 are all silly prices now, it's only the comparatively plentiful supply that's keeping Ghia prices down. Right hand drive cars are quite scarce now as most seem to have been scrapped over the years. So a kit-car Ghia will start to make more sense as time goes on.
Very noticeable in Europe that the endless supply of rot-free cars from the US seems to be drying up, and ones that are reaching the UK are commanding a lot higher prices than a couple of years ago. We're seeing standard cars in the UK being advertised for up to £20k already. (although that is the exception so far!) |
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