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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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should we call it the plati-plus?Laughing


We could, but it wouldn't be a protected species. Cool

From what I understand, the Karmann Ghia is already an endangered species:
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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should we call it the plati-plus?Laughing


We could, but it wouldn't be a protected species. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can see where our brethren in the rust belt would take interest in the plati-Ghia.

And if we do a deluxe version, should we call it the plati-plus?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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....I would want to use an aftermarket chassis that was made for a Ghia body, which means I'd have to adapt this glass one to it. Still have not heard back from the chassis makers yet...


Snag a Berrien Buggy Chasis, lengthen it, then widen the floor area. Bingo, chassis for your plastic Ghia! No telling, they might actually have a full length chassis...

http://fisherbuggies.com/buggies-and-frames/nostal...-joint-irs

I like the idea of a plastic Ghia. My dad has an early '69 'vert that is essentially rot and bondo (the way he bought it). Slap a plastic body on there, instant rust-free cruiser.

I can see where our brethren in the rust belt would take interest in the plati-Ghia.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, I took a closer look at the video, and he does indeed use a beetle pan. The fiberglass body has extra material to compensate for the difference in width. I assume the extra could be cut off if you wanted to use an actual Ghia pan. In my case, I would want to use an aftermarket chassis that was made for a Ghia body, which means I'd have to adapt this glass one to it. Still have not heard back from the chassis makers yet, but that project would probably a few years away anyway...

I see where using a genuine pan would be an advantage though, as the car would be considered whatever year the chassis was, and would not need to meet regulations for a new car. That alone may be the killer for my project concept.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread deserves a bump.

As stated earlier by someone, the pans are a different shape. The pans on type 1 beetles, taper in gradually from rear to front. The Ghia's is more squared, with an aggresive tapering toward the front, and are 4" wider at the front.

I wonder if this guy knows he could really make some good money selling a complete front or rearend, as long as the stock metal parts would bolt right up, that is.

It would probably be too expensive though, unless he had a lot of demand.

I know I'm not the only one who's had to cut the whole front clip off that was beyond repair, and graft in a doner. This was in the early 90's, and it wasn't real easy to find donor ghias back then, and I'm sure even harder now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been a fan of the updated classics like the Eagle Jags etc. that restore the bodywork, but update the mechanicals to modern equipment.

A Ghia with modern coil over suspension, brakes, fuel injected engine, modern lighting etc. is a appealing proposition for a different sort of customer than a lot of us on here who lke getting dirt under our fingernails. Those sort of people probably won't mind if it's fibreglass or metal.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm a firm believer that Karmann Ghias are under-priced compared to the rest of the market.

...Very noticeable in Europe that the endless supply of rot-free cars from the US seems to be drying up, and ones that are reaching the UK are commanding a lot higher prices than a couple of years ago. We're seeing standard cars in the UK being advertised for up to 20k already. (although that is the exception so far!)


Under-priced? You bet they are...at least compared with the examples you quote...i.e. Porsches.

Ghias are coachbuilts, made by hand and my '58 one lady owner, rust-free, Italian design studio creation cost me $9k 5 years ago...crazy cheap!

That's not a signal for everyone to slap another couple of k on their Ghias when they put them in the Classifieds as the market sets the price but now is the time to buy a Ghia not to sell.

As for replicas to be a successful business the value of Ghias has to reach a point where they are out of the pocket of the average working man. Not only that they will also have to be seen not just as an enthusiast car but as, (and I hate to say it) a status symbol.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't see any VW ever reaching that level of insanity.


Give it time and the Ghia will be there...Split Window Beetles, Barndoor Buses and Deluxe Split Screen Buses are there already.

Once you see Gerson making panels for Lowlight Ghias you'll know we've arrived at the same scenario.



I'm a firm beleiver that Karmann Ghias are under-priced compared to the rest of the market. Early 911, 912, 356 are all silly prices now, it's only the comparatively plentiful supply that's keeping Ghia prices down. Right hand drive cars are quite scarce now as most seem to have been scrapped over the years. So a kit-car Ghia will start to make more sense as time goes on.
Very noticeable in Europe that the endless supply of rot-free cars from the US seems to be drying up, and ones that are reaching the UK are commanding a lot higher prices than a couple of years ago. We're seeing standard cars in the UK being advertised for up to 20k already. (although that is the exception so far!)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True .. of course anyone who chooses to drive a bus is either a hippie or otherwise a little "off" in some fashion lol


Thanks for that...I feel somewhat rehabilitated since I sold my 15 window bus. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...Split Window Beetles, Barndoor Buses and Deluxe Split Screen Buses are there already.


True .. of course anyone who chooses to drive a bus is either a hippie or otherwise a little "off" in some fashion lol
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's awesome. But it would be no more mechanically reliable than an original.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cseay1 wrote:
I don't see any VW ever reaching that level of insanity.


Give it time and the Ghia will be there...Split Window Beetles, Barndoor Buses and Deluxe Split Screen Buses are there already.

Once you see Gerson making panels for Lowlight Ghias you'll know we've arrived at the same scenario.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to consider though is how far metal forming technology has come since the last ghia body was hammer welded together nearly 40 years ago. Why it's been nearly a decade since Jaguar came out with that hydroformed hood, with the contours that flowed seamlessly from the headlamps to the cowl. That was such an amazing feat that it was featured prominently in advertising for the car.

But you are true that any replica, steel or glass, is not the same as the real thing. I am very happy with my rotted 68 coupe that I paid $500 for, because I enjoy metal work. But I recently sold a 67 Camaro RS/SS that was so rotted you could stick your finger through the car anywhere for $6500 to someone who was going to spend another $12,000 for a new shell to "rebody" it, and in the end have a $60,000 numbers matching highly desirable car with an all new steel body. I don't see any VW ever reaching that level of insanity.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from all copyright issues with the Volkswagen factory, and the purists' ethical objections Smile, I don't think that producing a quality full metal repro Karmann Ghia body would be a commercially viable plan. It's basically a very curvy, all welded, hand made car; that combination right there means huge $$$ to build.
Even for the cost of a full body restoration at a reputable shop (of course not including the paintwork), I doubt that someone can fabricate an exact and 100% convincing steel replica Karmann Ghia body (if he was ever allowed by the Volkswagen factory, which I also highly doubt) as a long term business.
I do admire the out of the box thinking Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if there will ever come a day that someone produces a steel body shell for the Ghia. They're making them for 57 Chevys, 66 Mustangs, 69 Camaros, and 70 Challengers so why not the Ghia? Or Oval Beetles? Finding rust free cars is getting harder and harder, and for those who can't do the work themselves end up paying a restoration shop cubic dollars just to bring a rot bucket up to a solid shell.

Personally I prefer the solid "thunk" of closing a steel car door opposed to the hollow "fwap" of a fiberglass one.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little Harry wrote:
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Just making sure I understand this correctly - VW will send their lawyers after you if you use their logo in your company's merchandise or advertising, but won't if your company is making a replica of the entire vehicle?


This is a very good question. I wonder if he obtained permission from VW? I wonder what it cost him if he did?


i don't think it matters.... if they are not using the trademark, then all is good... if they went after him for producing parts(the body is considered a "part") then they would need to go after the other places producing bodyparts. they fight for their name and trademarks
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Little Harry wrote:
KGCoupe wrote:
Just making sure I understand this correctly - VW will send their lawyers after you if you use their logo in your company's merchandise or advertising, but won't if your company is making a replica of the entire vehicle?


This is a very good question. I wonder if he obtained permission from VW? I wonder what it cost him if he did?


Maybe that explains the high price? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KGCoupe wrote:
Just making sure I understand this correctly - VW will send their lawyers after you if you use their logo in your company's merchandise or advertising, but won't if your company is making a replica of the entire vehicle?


This is a very good question. I wonder if he obtained permission from VW? I wonder what it cost him if he did?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Crankey, that makes me want a 550 replica with a Raby Type 4 Shocked Shocked That would be bad to the bone. But hey a fiberglass Ghia to race, yeeeeee-haaaaaa Very Happy
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