VW 60K10/Porsche type 64/Berlin-Rome Wagen

[slalombuggy]

[IIIA-0426]

[Rome]

I agree! The only car I know of that had a Kamm-tail was the BMW 328, originally built in 1940. Here's a photo of a factory-built recreation. If you flip the photo around to get a similar perspective to the vintage photo, you can see the long C-pillar which both cars have in common. The left man would be blocking the very rear of the side window. In the vintage photo, the car does not have a slight kink/character line along the waist; you can see that the roof extends smoothly downward. On the BMW there is a recognizable kink. Vintage shot also implies a full-width rear window compared to the split of the BMW, but that could be due to the sun reflection and exact photo angle.

Would be exciting to think that these two future established brands were present at the same event. With Munich (BMW's HQ) being located close to the Austrian border, it is conceivable, though I don't know the history of the 328K.

[allsidius]

[finster]

rome - there was also a mercedes 170 based kamm (K3)

'Hey knaben, kein fingerpoken!'

[Axel Andersson]

Here is another pic of the US race car project that became a road car.
As you can see, not detailed as the original, but still very nice built.

[356 seppe]

[finster]

anyone else think this is like metalwork porn...

[356 seppe]

now make the inside panels. and all the reinforcements

[52 split]

if you put your mind to it that first pic is kind of erotic. nice work

[D-train]

When can I collect it? That’s crazy when you think it started from a flat sheet.
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[allsidius]

I do love those Porsche rear lights, and I adore the typ 64. But together, they do not work well in my opinion.

[mandraks]

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[sweden]

[356 seppe]

[sweden]

Thanks i have know this......!!!! and love to see it done, like the nr 26!!
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[Undis]

So, I thought it's time to revive this thread seeing that Mathé's car is being auctioned off next month it would be nice to put the spot-light on the mystery of the Type 64.

I’ve been reading this and other threads here on the Samba as well as other online sources and my books but I must admit I’m still confused about these three cars. I find this subject very confusing as most of the information available is inconsistent and often conflicting.

So this is what I have managed to decipher from all the photos available. At this point I just want to concentrate on the bodies, not getting into the chassis and engine variations.

Body 1,
colour: silver
front end: two air grilles
semaphores: short, mounted high
windscreens: flat glass
window wipers: single one mounted above the left glass pane.
window trim: thick chromed metal on all windows except on door windows
rear end: tail lights mounted high on tops of fenders painted body colour, license plate lights – 2 mounted on top of the body, license plate is flat on the body, brake light on top of the body located above the license plate, one reflector low on the left side not recessed into the body.
Comment: it appears the trim on the door windows was not yet finished/installed. This may explain the mismatched look of the windows on this car.
License plate(s): IIIA-0703

And here the same car in another photo shoot without the blackout covers on the headlights, tail lights, brake light and license plate lights.

[Undis]

Body 2,
colour: dark (black)
front end: one long grille
semaphores: longer than on car 1, mounted high
windscreens: glass curved at outer edges. Antenna mounted between the windscreens.
window wipers: two mounted above the glass panes.
window trim: thin body colour metal on all windows.
rear end: chromed tail lights mounted low on sides of fenders, license plate lights – none?, license plate is slightly recessed into the body, two thin brezel reflectors either side of the plate and one reflector low on the left side recessed into the body.
License plate(s): IIIA-0701

Here seen at the Porsche factory in Stuttgart

And at Gmünd, Austria after Porsche moved there taking many of his cars along including the Type 64 cars 2 and 3.

It was involved in an accident while in Austria.

[Undis]

Body 3,
colour: dark (black)
front end: two air grilles
semaphores: longer than on car 1 or 2, mounted lower.
windscreens: glass curved at outer edges
window wipers: two mounted above the glass panes.
window trim: thin body colour metal on all windows.
rear end: chromed tail lights mounted low on sides of fenders, license plate lights – none?, license plate is slightly recessed into the body, two thick brezel reflectors either side of the plate and one reflector low on the left side recessed into the body.
License plate(s): IIIA-0687, IIIA-0685
This is most probably the car that later became the Mathé car.

It was involved in an accident together with car VW38/16, the drivers being Robert Ley and Bodo Lafferentz who were having a street race.