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natdubs
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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:58 am Post subject: Split bus King and link pin beam on a late bay how to ? |
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Got me a rust free mid sixties k&l pin beam that I am going to narrow and fit on my 74 bay.
Someone told me late bay hubs go straight on, yes they do but when you put the disc on it fouls the spindle.
Does anyone know how to run latebay hubs on k&l pin beam ?
I want to keep the late wheel bolt pattern too.
I am aware I will have to fabricate a bracket for the brake caliper but that is no problem.
I know the "new" bay buses run k&n pin beams with discs but the parts are just to expensive for me.  |
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Aspro
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| Can't say I've heard of anyone doing this. As far as I know everyone running KnL with a disc set up runs brazilian spindles and brakes OR aftermarket kits like CSP or Fatbus etc. Best to talk to the usual suspects in the UK like T2D or Slamwerks. Might shine some more light on the issue. |
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natdubs
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Looked into this in a big way and found out track differences, spindle sizes etc.
To cut a long story short I am gonna put a machined spacer between the hub and spindle.
All I have to do now is fabricate a bracket for the caliper, which should be no problem as I work in engineering anyways.
I will let you all know how I get on  |
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hazetguy
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| just so you know, the bolt pattern, where the beam bolts to the frame, is different between the split beam and the '74 frame. |
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natdubs
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http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/attachment.php?attach...1352412832
This is the low down dirty rat the beam is going on.
Looks different now as its been sign written and has porsche gas burner wheels, roof rack full of junk etc 
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natdubs
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| just so you know, the bolt pattern, where the beam bolts to the frame, is different between the split beam and the '74 frame. |
I am narrowing anyways so that is not a problem, but thanks any ways dude |
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natdubs
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Aspro
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Looking good Nat, even if it is a late one  Where abouts are you in Stinkonshire? I'm just out of Horncastle. Should catch up for a warm one. |
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420GOAT
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only 68,69 maybe 70 can use linkpin beams.
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| just so you know, the bolt pattern, where the beam bolts to the frame, is different between the split beam and the '74 frame. |
If he's narrowing the front beam and making new endplates he can drill them for the late bay bolt pattern and it should work fine. I think there is a diagram on the lowering forum with the bolt pattern and spacing deminsions. I've thought about swapping a K&L beam into my '72 to gain more ground clearance, but the expensive brake options stalled that plan.
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natdubs
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| just so you know, the bolt pattern, where the beam bolts to the frame, is different between the split beam and the '74 frame. |
If he's narrowing the front beam and making new endplates he can drill them for the late bay bolt pattern and it should work fine. I think there is a diagram on the lowering forum with the bolt pattern and spacing deminsions. I've thought about swapping a K&L beam into my '72 to gain more ground clearance, but the expensive brake options stalled that plan. |
I found this drawing its better than the one out there already it has more dimmesions (should be on the lowering forum bit really)
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natdubs
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Found a dude on here that has done this, messaged him but no reply yet.
He's jeremyrockjock looking at his old posts he's well known on here I guess. |
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natdubs
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You know you are mad dont you?
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yer man.............. |
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natdubs
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| Shaun Murray wrote: |
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| just so you know, the bolt pattern, where the beam bolts to the frame, is different between the split beam and the '74 frame. |
If he's narrowing the front beam and making new endplates he can drill them for the late bay bolt pattern and it should work fine. I think there is a diagram on the lowering forum with the bolt pattern and spacing deminsions. I've thought about swapping a K&L beam into my '72 to gain more ground clearance, but the expensive brake options stalled that plan. |
I found this drawing its better than the one out there already it has more dimmesions (should be on the lowering forum bit really)
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From this drawing I'd angle the bottom tube 18 degree though  |
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He isn't mad. Just another Looney Englishman. It goes back to why my ancestors left that place - just in time too. They had these civil wars in England. Roundheads vs. Cavaliers. Cromwell won. The TeaParty Conservative types of that era worshiped him as their Conservative leader for a few years then he died of a bladder infection - too many women of the night??? A couple a years later the English were so pissed at the government he set up they dug him up (a dead man), put him on trial in court, found him guilty and hung him (his corpse) followed by dismembering him and sticking his head on a pole and then burying him all over England so no one could find the grave. Insanity is in their blood at times. No different than sticking a split suspension into a bay. In five years the next guy will ask how to remove it, stick the pieces on his scrap heap and send it off to be melted down into steel for 10,000 tin cans and sent all over the Isles to be buried in landfills like Cromwell was.
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natdubs
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| Notchboy wrote: You know you are mad dont you? |
He isn't mad. Just another Looney Englishman. It goes back to why my ancestors left that place - just in time too. They had these civil wars in England. Roundheads vs. Cavaliers. Cromwell won. The TeaParty Conservative types of that era worshiped him as their Conservative leader for a few years then he died of a bladder infection - too many women of the night??? A couple a years later the English were so pissed at the government he set up they dug him up (a dead man), put him on trial in court, found him guilty and hung him (his corpse) followed by dismembering him and sticking his head on a pole and then burying him all over England so no one could find the grave. Insanity is in their blood at times. No different than sticking a split suspension into a bay. In five years the next guy will ask how to remove it, stick the pieces on his scrap heap and send it off to be melted down into steel for 10,000 tin cans and sent all over the Isles to be buried in landfills like Cromwell was. |
So in "England in the 80's and 90's what did people do to the front end of there split buses ? Yep thats rite junked them for later ball joint bay beams. Over here you have two options if you wanna go really low, either red 9 design or re-instate a k&L pin beam. I'd say its gone full circle to be honest or as the same as everything else in the aircooled world its forever changing !!!!!!!! |
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natdubs
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| I has brake caliper adapter drawings. Last bit of the jigsaw ! |
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Just another screwed-up bus. 
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