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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: Small Car cast oil pan issue? Reply with quote

I get a sudden oil pressure drop when I make fast stops.

This usually happens when dropping out of light speed from the freeway.

But, has happened at other times too.

It happens every now and then.

It has NOT happened going down steep drives, though...

My oil is up to the mark on the Small Car plastic tube dip stick.

Any body else have this issue with their SC cast aluminum oil pan?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a SC oil pan with custom dip stick, but don't have an oil pressure gauge....never noticed a problem though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have the SC 5 qt cast pan with tube dipstick and a VDO oil gauge. No oil pressure fluctuations like your description. All pressures are normal.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two years with the Small Car pan but I don't have an oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. No issues that I know of..........maybe I don't want to know?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JPrato wrote:
Two years with the Small Car pan but I don't have an oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. No issues that I know of..........maybe I don't want to know?


^^ X 2!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who converted the oil pickup tube?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
Who converted the oil pickup tube?

Small Car.

The pan comes with a new pickup.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tarandusVDub wrote:
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Two years with the Small Car pan but I don't have an oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. No issues that I know of..........maybe I don't want to know?


^^ X 2!!!


^^^ X 3!!! on my EJ22 - I was part of their first shipments.

I got a burly pan with baffles waiting to go onto my new frankenmotor.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw one of those with a big hole busted in the bottom of it. I don't remember seeing any baffling for oil slosh.

as your coming down from light speed, are you using compression to slow down ? seems like that would suck up the oil quickly (with less to suck up since it's a shorter pan) and the oil is sloshing forward from slowing down.

you could have a baffle mounted inside it...maybe. that aluminum casting is porous and has soaked up engine oil so may be hard to weld inside it.

I don't think I would install a pan like that without measuring the provided pick up tube and the depth of the pan...and probably ask here what an acceptable gap is. I would feel compelled to verify the modified parts would be likely to work.

I have seen one oil pickup that had a pair of 1/4" rods welded across the pickup screen to make sure the screen couldn't be completely blocked if the pan had dented upward into the pickup...but then cast aluminum is more likely to break than dent.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is the oil pressure reading being taken from?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
Where is the oil pressure reading being taken from?

At the factory spot near the power steering pump.

I duplicated the Subaru factory sport gauge setup.

I have a VDO dual sender there. I need to see what the idiot light switch pressure I got. I recall I saw several different switch pressures.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long does the low oil pressure last? 1 second? 3 seconds? 10 seconds?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crankey wrote:
as your coming down from light speed, are you using compression to slow down ? seems like that would suck up the oil quickly (with less to suck up since it's a shorter pan) and the oil is sloshing forward from slowing down.

This is the situation.

Down shitting and letting the engine slow down.....

Then when I come to a stop, at idle, the light comes on.

jackbombay wrote:
How long does the low oil pressure last? 1 second? 3 seconds? 10 seconds?

Just a sec.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

r39o wrote:
Down shitting and letting the engine slow down.....


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Franklinstower wrote:
tarandusVDub wrote:
JPrato wrote:
Two years with the Small Car pan but I don't have an oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. No issues that I know of..........maybe I don't want to know?


^^ X 2!!!


^^^ X 3!!! on my EJ22 - I was part of their first shipments.

I got a burly pan with baffles waiting to go onto my new frankenmotor.


Got one of those too to replace the pan on my 2.2 turbo motor. Take lots of pics. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

r39o: Do you have a speed sensor??? I have the same situation with mine but I think you may be confusing it with somethings else. I am running a 2.2L from a 93 Subaru. It does n otrequire a speed sensor however when I come off the throttle there is quite a big drop in rpms which lead to the engine almost killing which results in the oil light flickering for a second. It then recovers and all is well. Doesn't bother me, I may or may not get a speed sensor.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a speed sensor.

BUT, as we know, the counts we generally get are not what the Subaru one generates for the same speed.

My speed sensor is a VW one mounted on the back of the speedometer.

I do NOT, I think, experience a drop in rpms, but I will look again.....

NOTE, again, this only happens every now and then, but the other day it happened a couple of times. I will drive the van today to a site and I will see how it does . Thanks....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is the pickup sealed to the engine? If it is not sealed 100% if uncovered could cause a drop in oil pressure. I have no experience with Subaru installs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rsxsr wrote:
How is the pickup sealed to the engine? If it is not sealed 100% if uncovered could cause a drop in oil pressure. I have no experience with Subaru installs.

I recall there is an O ring.

But, I can be wrong as I am getting I am getting old (my wife reminds me...)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

r39o wrote:
rsxsr wrote:
How is the pickup sealed to the engine? If it is not sealed 100% if uncovered could cause a drop in oil pressure. I have no experience with Subaru installs.

I recall there is an O ring.

But, I can be wrong as I am getting I am getting old (my wife reminds me...)


Most of my motors have had an o ring....I use Loctite 518 to seal it.
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