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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:34 pm Post subject: Small Car cast oil pan issue? |
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I get a sudden oil pressure drop when I make fast stops.
This usually happens when dropping out of light speed from the freeway.
But, has happened at other times too.
It happens every now and then.
It has NOT happened going down steep drives, though...
My oil is up to the mark on the Small Car plastic tube dip stick.
Any body else have this issue with their SC cast aluminum oil pan? _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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tarandusVDub Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2010 Posts: 1649 Location: Between Here and There
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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I have a SC oil pan with custom dip stick, but don't have an oil pressure gauge....never noticed a problem though. _________________ 1990 Syncro 16" DoppleKabine 2.1 DJ 112i
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Sold: 1972 Bay Campmobile; 1984 Westy, base model, 2WD. |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16501 Location: Brookeville, MD
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JPrato Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2006 Posts: 791 Location: Livonia, NY
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Two years with the Small Car pan but I don't have an oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. No issues that I know of..........maybe I don't want to know? _________________ Joe
87 Syncro Tin Top project
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tarandusVDub Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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JPrato wrote: |
Two years with the Small Car pan but I don't have an oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. No issues that I know of..........maybe I don't want to know? |
^^ X 2!!! _________________ 1990 Syncro 16" DoppleKabine 2.1 DJ 112i
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Who converted the oil pickup tube? |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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insyncro wrote: |
Who converted the oil pickup tube? |
Small Car.
The pan comes with a new pickup.
_________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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Franklinstower Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2006 Posts: 1895 Location: PNW
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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tarandusVDub wrote: |
JPrato wrote: |
Two years with the Small Car pan but I don't have an oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. No issues that I know of..........maybe I don't want to know? |
^^ X 2!!! |
^^^ X 3!!! on my EJ22 - I was part of their first shipments.
I got a burly pan with baffles waiting to go onto my new frankenmotor. _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
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Crankey Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2004 Posts: 2656
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I saw one of those with a big hole busted in the bottom of it. I don't remember seeing any baffling for oil slosh.
as your coming down from light speed, are you using compression to slow down ? seems like that would suck up the oil quickly (with less to suck up since it's a shorter pan) and the oil is sloshing forward from slowing down.
you could have a baffle mounted inside it...maybe. that aluminum casting is porous and has soaked up engine oil so may be hard to weld inside it.
I don't think I would install a pan like that without measuring the provided pick up tube and the depth of the pan...and probably ask here what an acceptable gap is. I would feel compelled to verify the modified parts would be likely to work.
I have seen one oil pickup that had a pair of 1/4" rods welded across the pickup screen to make sure the screen couldn't be completely blocked if the pan had dented upward into the pickup...but then cast aluminum is more likely to break than dent. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Where is the oil pressure reading being taken from? |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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insyncro wrote: |
Where is the oil pressure reading being taken from? |
At the factory spot near the power steering pump.
I duplicated the Subaru factory sport gauge setup.
I have a VDO dual sender there. I need to see what the idiot light switch pressure I got. I recall I saw several different switch pressures..... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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jackbombay Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2007 Posts: 2723 Location: Eastern Idaho
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Crankey wrote: |
as your coming down from light speed, are you using compression to slow down ? seems like that would suck up the oil quickly (with less to suck up since it's a shorter pan) and the oil is sloshing forward from slowing down. |
This is the situation.
Down shitting and letting the engine slow down.....
Then when I come to a stop, at idle, the light comes on.
jackbombay wrote: |
How long does the low oil pressure last? 1 second? 3 seconds? 10 seconds? |
Just a sec. _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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Rhinoculips Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2005 Posts: 918 Location: Keystone, Colorado
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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r39o wrote: |
Down shitting and letting the engine slow down..... |
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BenT Syncro Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2005 Posts: 1085 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Franklinstower wrote: |
tarandusVDub wrote: |
JPrato wrote: |
Two years with the Small Car pan but I don't have an oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. No issues that I know of..........maybe I don't want to know? |
^^ X 2!!! |
^^^ X 3!!! on my EJ22 - I was part of their first shipments.
I got a burly pan with baffles waiting to go onto my new frankenmotor. |
Got one of those too to replace the pan on my 2.2 turbo motor. Take lots of pics. Thanks. _________________ BenT |
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iceracer Samba Member
Joined: February 28, 2006 Posts: 949 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:26 am Post subject: |
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r39o: Do you have a speed sensor??? I have the same situation with mine but I think you may be confusing it with somethings else. I am running a 2.2L from a 93 Subaru. It does n otrequire a speed sensor however when I come off the throttle there is quite a big drop in rpms which lead to the engine almost killing which results in the oil light flickering for a second. It then recovers and all is well. Doesn't bother me, I may or may not get a speed sensor. _________________ 86 Syncro Wolfsburg edition
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: |
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I have a speed sensor.
BUT, as we know, the counts we generally get are not what the Subaru one generates for the same speed.
My speed sensor is a VW one mounted on the back of the speedometer.
I do NOT, I think, experience a drop in rpms, but I will look again.....
NOTE, again, this only happens every now and then, but the other day it happened a couple of times. I will drive the van today to a site and I will see how it does . Thanks.... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17114 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:53 am Post subject: |
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How is the pickup sealed to the engine? If it is not sealed 100% if uncovered could cause a drop in oil pressure. I have no experience with Subaru installs. _________________ ☮️ |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:59 am Post subject: |
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rsxsr wrote: |
How is the pickup sealed to the engine? If it is not sealed 100% if uncovered could cause a drop in oil pressure. I have no experience with Subaru installs. |
I recall there is an O ring.
But, I can be wrong as I am getting I am getting old (my wife reminds me...) _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:06 am Post subject: |
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r39o wrote: |
rsxsr wrote: |
How is the pickup sealed to the engine? If it is not sealed 100% if uncovered could cause a drop in oil pressure. I have no experience with Subaru installs. |
I recall there is an O ring.
But, I can be wrong as I am getting I am getting old (my wife reminds me...) |
Most of my motors have had an o ring....I use Loctite 518 to seal it. |
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