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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17290 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Have you looked underneath it to see what's there? _________________
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..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk..... |
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Type 5 Joe Banned
Joined: January 18, 2003 Posts: 1795 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Probably a Mikey 5-speed.
They have a casting spacer between the intermediate housing (rough sand casting) and the trans case ... And a short nose cone.
No body / mount modifications needed to install one. |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17290 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Or if he's really lucky, a Berg 5. _________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote: |
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Type 5 Joe Banned
Joined: January 18, 2003 Posts: 1795 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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That would be lucky if it was a Berg-5....
But the Mikey 5-speed and the DTM fanshroud were both developed and manufactured about 20 miles from his location.
Post a picture if you can. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:52 am Post subject: |
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I cant seem to get mine into 5th.I try&try,but it just wont go. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:04 am Post subject: |
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mark tucker wrote: |
I cant seem to get mine into 5th.I try&try,but it just wont go. |
Because you have a 4 speed. _________________ Glenn
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Type 5 Joe Banned
Joined: January 18, 2003 Posts: 1795 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:50 am Post subject: |
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On some 5-speed conversions..... There was a really cool kit available that placed 5th gear in the reverse location at highway speeds.
It only worked above 67 M.P.H.
Try taking it out on the highway and as soon as you exceed 67-70 M.P.H.... Try slamming it into reverse. The older models required a bit of force to fully get it into 5th gear.
Don't be afraid to give it some muscle... You might need to have your significant other attempt this for you. |
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58Dub Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 1713 Location: Davison, MI
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Type 5 Joe wrote: |
On some 5-speed conversions..... There was a really cool kit available that placed 5th gear in the reverse location at highway speeds.
It only worked above 67 M.P.H.
Try taking it out on the highway and as soon as you exceed 67-70 M.P.H.... Try slamming it into reverse. The older models required a bit of force to fully get it into 5th gear.
Don't be afraid to give it some muscle... You might need to have your significant other attempt this for you. |
LOL... _________________ 58 Beetle (now just a pile of parts in the corner)
60 Beetle (2221 turbo under construction)
70 Beetle Baja project |
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Juanito84 Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2012 Posts: 2436 Location: Colorado Mountains
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Since we're on the 5 speed topic, what would be all the necessary modifications to the frame, torsion bar tubes, shifter, etc, in order to accomodate a Berg 5-Speed?
I know this was touched on earlier in this post I think by Glenn. I was just curious if there were any pictures or more detail of what needs to be done and perhaps how much. _________________ If a water cooled engine cools its water with air, isn't it just an overcomplicated air cooled engine? |
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Trevor P Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 863 Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Juanito84 wrote: |
Since we're on the 5 speed topic, what would be all the necessary modifications to the frame, torsion bar tubes, shifter, etc, in order to accomodate a Berg 5-Speed?
I know this was touched on earlier in this post I think by Glenn. I was just curious if there were any pictures or more detail of what needs to be done and perhaps how much. |
It depends on the year of the car. Earlier cars require more mods, later cars have more room and require less work to install. _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
56 Wolfsburg PG/SG
57 Oval, 2332 & Berg 5
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Very true, early cars need the right torsion tube cut open and a pocket formed. They also need the body cut away and a boxed section made since the tranny is longer.
Mine only needed the right torsion tube clearanced with a mini-sledge. _________________ Glenn
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Juanito84 Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2012 Posts: 2436 Location: Colorado Mountains
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds good. I was talking about a 1971 body on a 1972 frame. Pardon me but what's a mini sledge (or are you talking about a hammer)? _________________ If a water cooled engine cools its water with air, isn't it just an overcomplicated air cooled engine? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Endo21 Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2012 Posts: 80 Location: Scappoose, OR
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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I never did take any pictures of that old girl, all I really noticed about it was that it was a swing axle and I should have takin it out of the car before I sold it. I didnt notice any other than stock mounts holding it up or any changes in the nose cone. It was beefer, rounder than what i was used to. |
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burtc Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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I was considering installing a 5-speed Porsche tranny in my project car. After doing some extensive research on which was the best method, I stumbled upon Bug@5Speed in Germany. They sell a complete kit for doing the swap over (5-speed shifter, nose cone, transverse front mount, transverse rear mount for 901/915 gearbox, clutch cable mounting plate, clutch cable connector and the stub axles (if you need them).
http://www.bugat5speed.de/en/kaefer-und-co/kaefer-getriebe/umbauteile-porsche-getriebe-901914
Click on the links towards the bottom of the page to see all the available pieces that they make (you will have to use Google Translate to read).
While there are still some modifications to do, the conversion with the kit seems pretty straight-forward according to what I have read.
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ambrynmc Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2008 Posts: 21 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:00 am Post subject: |
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I looked at that option too, but the cost scared me. I think I figured the kit was over $1,500 plus a 915 trans $2,500 rebuilt (approximately) Not to mention the horsepower limits are pretty low. I think the 901 was 150 hp and the 915 can handle 200hp? Something like that...
Finally decided on going with the Subaru 5 speed. I'm still working on it, but it is pretty cool. I ended up getting the reverse r/p at a decent discount by getting a group of guys together to buy at the same time. |
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petevdub Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2005 Posts: 205 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Surprised no one has mentioned the 923.
The Porsche 923 trans was in the '76 911e. 4cyl engine, and big trans case/gears like the later 915/930's. So the 923 is geared for a 4banger, but built like it was bolted to a 6cyl.
I think 2600 were made. Not sure. _________________ '72 super
'65 21w
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76939 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:45 am Post subject: |
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No one mentioned the 912E because they are pretty rare. _________________ Glenn
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Kalle Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Oslo, Norway
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coolrydes wrote: |
Look guys all kidding aside, I too have been in the VW seen since 87' (35 years) building all of my own stuff since then, in fact a VW engine build is what got me into VWs in the first place before that it was all V8 stuff. So for 35 years I have been a hardcore VW guy. I have read everything in print as to how to make hp out of these 4 cylinder engines. I find it very hard to believe that a 1603 or 1915 engine can put down those type of numbers. |
Sad to see that you`re still stuck in late 80`s but it is never too late to learn. When you feel it is time to widen your perspective you will find the complete build thread on The Lounge. After being so many years in the vw community you should also know that chances are slim that someone will ship their engine to the US to get it dyno`d. The other way around however is quite common and the results has always been the same. |
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