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91Transporter16"
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 Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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I bought a set of CV boots and 930 screws from G.W. and the fit seems to be wrong. I found out that the screw set is for the 8mm flange kit that G.W. sells. And the flanges are also for the 8mm screws. The factory screws are 10mm so I decided to drill out the holes in the flanges to be able to fit the 10mm screws. Then I discovered that the head of the 10mm screws hit the lip of the boot in place. This picture shows the head of the screw pinching boot. So now I have a complete set of boots and flanges I cannot use. I will be going back to the stock boots. What a mess.
I can't seem to be able to insert a picture. That has changed as well.
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91Transporter16"
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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Good to have the info for the CV's. Burly also told me that the stock cv shaft will work with the 930 cv's. Have to get longer bolts also for the 930's. I bought Fox Shocks a few years ago and after that I began to hear strange sounds coming from the rear drive when I was at full Extension at the rear. After talking to Burly, he asked if I was running Fox Shocks, the extension is now 25 inches. That was unknown to me. After inspecting my stock 16" 108mm cv's, I found wear patterns on the outer edges of the CV grooves. Some of the ball tracks had the corner edges worn down as if the balls were running on the very edge of the track.
Don't know about abut the seal not needed on the 930's. I guess this would be a good time to use a silicone sealer on the 930's going to the flanges.
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Steve M.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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| 91Transporter16" wrote: |
| Also, I noticed that the 930 CV's don't have the seal cutout like the original CV so it doesn't need that gasket/seal. Or am I missing something? |
Not sure about that seal. I prefer to have a seal in there if only to keep the grease inside. That boot flange and axle flange do not exactly have close tolerance fit to keep a submerged axle dry imo, but I'm seeing more water in rain puddles lately.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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| 91Transporter16" wrote: |
Hi Steve I measured the balls on a 930 I have and it measures at 22.21mm.
I thought the Syncro 16 108mm CV had the same 22.21mm balls. Also, I noticed that the 930 CV's don't have the seal cutout like the original CV so it doesn't need that gasket/seal. Or am I missing something? |
Now you got me thinking so I measured the ball on my spare CV and it is 22mm. I was going by what I found in the GKN/LOBRO Catalog when I got curious what the difference was.
So what was I thinking? I was thinking "Bore dia." that it calls out in the GKN/LOBRO Catalog from 2014. My perverted mind saw balls.
Now I'm trying to figure out what they are calling the "Bore"? It might be the dia. of the bolts?
Whatever it is, it is .7mm larger on the 930 CV. Somebody can enlighten me.
Thought it interesting that the Audi Quattro with 294Kw power vs. the Syncro with only 82Kw
uses only 100mm dia. CV.
The Syncro CV is on page 2105 and the Porsche 911 CV is page 1358.
Porsche info:
So much for reading...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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| 0to60in6min wrote: |
hi...
Is the gearing of the transaxle of a 16" different from a 14"?
thanks.. |
It is going to depend on what your Ring & Pinion ratio is.
Which depends on diesel or petrol engine.
The early diesels had to have same gear ratios in 2nd, maybe 4th & R&P because of the low h.p. of the diesel. Then there were also 5 spèed diesels using granny gear of 6.06 - same as the reverse gear. All of the diesels may have been the 5 speeds.( Never owned one.)
Crawl underneath and get the 3 letter code on your transaxle to know what your R&P is.
Transaxle codes of the 16's.
ALE: 5.83 / 35.6
ALK: 5.43 / 38.7
AND: 6.16 / 37.6
AVM: 5.83 / 35.6
AVR: 5.43 / 38.7
AVU: 6.16 /37.6
The ALE, ALK have a 2ND Gear ratio of 2.06.
The AVM has a 4th Gear ratio of 0.78.
Most of the 14's with the R&P of 4.86 had 1st: 3.78, 2nd: 1.88, 3rd: 1.225 & 4th at 0.85
The granny gear is 6.06 on all of them.
(There were some 14's using the same R&P's as the 16's.)
As far as I see from my charts.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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hi...
Is the gearing of the transaxle of a 16" different from a 14"?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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| 91Transporter16" wrote: |
I'm looking at getting a set of 930 cv's from burley. I have the factory axle. Anybody know if the axle length needs to change if I go with the 930's?
And are these the ones that need to be properly clocked?
Thanks
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The difference between the 930 CV and the stock Syncro 16 CV is the diameter of the balls, and the grooves in the outer ring plus the openings in the cage. Syncro 16's balls are 10.2mm diameter and the 930's are 10.9mm diameter. Just did not seem worth it to me.
If I had the Syncro 14", yes it would be worth it.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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| 91Transporter16" wrote: |
So I got the gaskets from FCP and they sent me the 100MM and not 108mm gaskets. They probably don't know the difference at
FCP so I decided to just make my own from gasket material. The numbers on the package read:
(G)8D0407309 and
CRP-8D0407309FE
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I just cleaned and greased my front inner cv's and I used "Form-a-Gasket #2", the non-hardening gasket maker on them.
As of today 4 daze later it's working fine.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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Well Snap , sorry about the misleading source lead Tony. I should have done better research, I was working off the parts number from brickewerks.
Going back through my Syncro data file ( paper about 6'' thick ) I found an old Yahoo groups posting from you giving the Audi part number for the rear CV joint 431 407 331G it also crosses to Audi 431 498 103C. This fits 1986-1988 Audi 5000 turbo quattro and several other quattro's rear inner CV joint.
Using these numbers I was able to find Lobro cv boot kit that includes that gasket. GKN 300516
Sadley this is the only place I could find the gasket in my limited time on this Sunday morning.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Official Syncro 16 Thread |
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I only find a sealing washer for 14" syncros 
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