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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: FI always too rich |
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My 91 Vanagon 2.1 has developed a problem recently- too rich all the time. It is stinky at idle and will barely run when first started. Gets lousy fuel mileage.
Problem is, I can only get it into my garage for short periods of time.
I'm suspecting a sensor is out of whack, or bad grounds, but I need to have a good work plan so I can get it back on the road soon.
Any ideas on what ails it?
Thanks, Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9810 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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One common cause of that is a short in the O2 sensor lead.
On mine one strand of the coax layer on that shielded wire got in contact with the spade connector on the inner wire of the green lead. That was enough to short out the sensor and make the ECU want to run rich all the time (well after the first couple of minutes as it ignores the O2 signal at first).
The check is simple -- disconnect the lead that comes from the O@ sensor (engine bay, left side, possibly thick green wire) and use an ohmmeter to see if the connector is shorted to ground.
All I did to fix mine was strip the coax back a fraction of an inch and fit some shrink tube over it to keep it well-behaved.
Could be other stuff too, but there's a place to start. |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ahwahnee wrote: |
One common cause of that is a short in the O2 sensor lead.
Could be other stuff too, but there's a place to start. |
Sorry, shoulda mentioned I already had the O2 sensor disconnected.
Thanks,
Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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flopper Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2005 Posts: 74 Location: Guelph, ONT, Canada
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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First sensor that affects all the time is the temp sensor. Check it at various temps to see if in spec and check the harness. Some have said their ran rich with it disconnected mine would die at idle and not restart.
Maybe an injector stuck open can check if the fuel pressure drops to zero real quick after the key is shut off. _________________ 85 Vanagon GL 7pass manual in the process of finding out all that's wrong.
One VW at a time so far, past memories...
75 Westy weekender, 92 Eurovan GL and to start it off 82 Vanagon GL 9pass. |
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mattcfish Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2006 Posts: 565 Location: Bellingham, WA
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Been chasing this issue for years on my 85 Digijet with a 2.2L upgrade. Hope you find an answer, I've tried everything.... I mean everything. Real rich idle, plugs look fine. Runs great otherwise.
Check TPS, check Cold start valve, and exhaust leaks. Look for any vacuum leaks using a propane can (not lit). _________________ 71 Bay Window
75 BMW 2002
76 BMW R90S
85 Vanagon with 2.2L upgrade |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:11 am Post subject: |
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69doublecab wrote: |
Ahwahnee wrote: |
One common cause of that is a short in the O2 sensor lead.
Could be other stuff too, but there's a place to start. |
Sorry, shoulda mentioned I already had the O2 sensor disconnected.
Thanks,
Al |
Don't mean it's still not shorted, short from shield to center wire ONLY a problem from plug to ECU, have to verify with a meter it's not a short,0=reading. From plug to oxy sensor not shielded or not on any i have had. |
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