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carcrazed Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2007 Posts: 957 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:38 am Post subject: Help...Starter Bolt Problem... |
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Well, I was working on my 1961 Beetle with the original 1200cc last night. It hasn't been run in about 15 years and I was trying to get the starter out because I believe it is bad. I had no problem taking the nut off towards the wheel on the outside, but when I went to loosen the bolt by the transmission, it loosened very little and just spins. Of course, the one bolt on the entire car that you CAN'T see when you are working on the car just spins. What can I do without pulling the entire engine out? It has been a long time since I pulled a starter out of a bug. Is there a stud that goes in the case that might be loose or is it just a bolt? _________________ 1965 Herbie Replica. 1776cc dual Kads.
1961 Beetle 33,000 Original Miles
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JimJ Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2004 Posts: 92 Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:07 am Post subject: |
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The bottom nut is on a stud and the top one is a bolt. _________________ Tool junkie
62 Ruby Red type 1385 |
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Luft kühl Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2009 Posts: 1178 Location: Allentown, PA
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:25 am Post subject: |
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The bolt that you are trying to remove has a "d" shaped head that sits in a notch on the starter body which prevents it from turning. The bolt must be held towards you as the nut is is being turned in order to prevent the bolt head from popping out of the notch. |
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drs1023 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2011 Posts: 1682 Location: Georgia, USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:42 am Post subject: |
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The bolt that you are trying to remove has a "d" shaped head that sits in a notch..... |
My '63 didn't come with the "D" head bolt. Don't think earlier cars had them.
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What can I do without pulling the entire engine out? |
If that bolt is spinning, the engine is gonna be tough to remove. The bolt goes through both the transmission and engine. |
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carcrazed Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2007 Posts: 957 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies. If I can get my fat head in there, I will take a better look. It has been several years since I changed one and couldn't remember if that was a bolt or nut. I will put some pressure on the bolt to hold it in place and see what happens. _________________ 1965 Herbie Replica. 1776cc dual Kads.
1961 Beetle 33,000 Original Miles
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drs1023 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2011 Posts: 1682 Location: Georgia, USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:27 am Post subject: |
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At least 40 years ago, I bent a 17 mm box end wrench just for the purpose of holding the bolt without having my hands on it. |
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61SNRF Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2009 Posts: 4657 Location: Whittier 90602
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Early cars didn't have the D bolt or notches in the starter either.
At one time Hazet made a 17mm "wing" wrench with two short arms and a magnet inside the hex portion that held it on the bolt head. It was made to hold that bolt so one man could loosen or tighten the nut in front of the fan housing.
A regular box wrench is too long because the body is in the way. As a substitute, you can cut a 17mm box wrench so the handle is only 3-4" long. A Cheapo Chinese wrench from the .99 cent box would be more than sufficient.
A curved wrench may work too as suggested, depends on it's shape and how long it is. _________________ -Bruce
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Get a helper to hold the nut steady with a 17mm box or ratchet socket around the hidden side of the fan shroud while you loosen from underneath.
Actually is easier to hold from underneath with 17 mm while person up top loosens the nut with 17mm socket or box wrench around the hidden side of the fan shroud. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2033 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject: Help...Starter Bolt Problem... |
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Or you could do what a PO did to my 356 coupe: weld a hex nut onto one of the flats of the hex bolt head to keep it from turning while you remove the nut. Not original but it makes it a one man job without the special "wing spanner" tool. |
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Ojai63dbl Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 452
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:02 am Post subject: |
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just did this when I pilled engine.
If you take rear wheel off. you can put a ratchet in engine bay on the nut and hold the bolt with your hand. Usually once you break the nut torque, its easy to spin off without the pecial wrench.
Two people makes it easier. and youll want two when you tighten it back in.
If your going to 12V - get D-bolt and the problem is over. 6V starter doest use the D-bolt s noted above |
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drs1023 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2011 Posts: 1682 Location: Georgia, USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:12 am Post subject: |
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I welded a 1" long piece of 3/8"long round stock to ome pf the flats on mine. |
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drs1023 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:13 am Post subject: |
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I welded a 1"long piece of 3/8"long round stock to one of the flats on mine. |
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Wayne S. Johnson Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 1265 Location: GILROY, CA
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GA_Boy Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2006 Posts: 1405 Location: Jefferson, GA
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:46 am Post subject: |
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I didn't have the "D" head bolt either so I drilled a hole across the head and drove a Spring pin in.
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