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PNW Westy Owner Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2005 Posts: 104 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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One of the cleaner installs IMO.
This is from Brent Weide's site.
"These are the new 6 1/2 inch JL Audio component speakers after installation.
To install, I removed the door panels, marked and enlarged the speaker install holes, and secured the new speakers in place."
Wish I had done this instead of cutting a large hole for the woofer down at the bottom of door.
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greenraVR6 Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2011 Posts: 306 Location: Bellingham, WA
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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campism wrote: |
djkeev wrote: |
I'm running 1986 Stock!
Dave |
I'm going back to stock! Just found a pair at a local boneyard and got 'em to replace the aftermarket ones installed by the PO. Tired of the grilles falling off or scraping my knuckles when rolling the window down or up.
Dude, looks like you could use a window crank I passed up on that van. |
mk2 golf/jetta window cranks fit perfectly and IMO are nicer than the stock vangon crank handles. I think I installed two rear cranks from a jetta and I believe they are shorter than the vanagon ones. I have no issues with an aftermarket speaker and rolling the window up or down.
And as a bonus for me, today I took the 4" pioneers I removed from the van and used them to replace some old 80's speakers in one of our tractors on the farm and it was a huge improvement. They totally sucked in the van but aren't too bad in an old Ford tractor _________________ '88 vanagon*****'91 gti 1.8t*****'04 r32*****'11 suburban z71 |
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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If my stock one was working, I'd have left it be! In fact, if the stock stereo w/ tape deck and been working, I'd probably have left that be too! Mostly I just listen to the radio anyway...I kind of wanted the hands free *thing* though for my phone. Given a new stereo w/ that feature is cheaper than a fine for using your phone in the car, figured it was a reasonable upgrade request for my birthday! LOL
djkeev wrote: |
I'm running 1986 Stock!
Dave |
Thank you again to everyone for the so very specific suggestions, especially the links and pictures! And, pointing out that I wouldn't be able to open my crank window w/ out an extender/change! What a *dumb* design, got to wonder what they were thinking! LOL
LOVE the cheaper options w/ the sites other than the obvious BestBuy. Here, its BestBuy or FutureShop, owned by BB anyway! LOL
Wouldn't mind going 4-5" in the front and 5-6" in the back, if they fit in the same spot. Can't deal w/ holes w/ nothing in them. Makes my Vanagon sad. LOL
tam _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
Making it special:
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:52 am Post subject: |
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droppedsyncro wrote: |
those hold 6x9s in a well known westy named........
DOMO!! |
They are doing well, and looking well my friend!
I like showing them off, and they always get good comments. Very original, and very well made! _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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SteveVanB Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1645 Location: This side of Daytona
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Infinity seperates. I found the square grills at the bone yard out of a conversion van. Not as blingy as the Infinity ones....
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luVWagn Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2008 Posts: 1340 Location: Snoqualmie (WA)
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:13 am Post subject: |
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SteveVanB wrote: |
Infinity seperates. I found the square grills at the bone yard out of a conversion van. Not as blingy as the Infinity ones....
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That is a trippy panel/covering, how do you find the handles _________________ '91 Syncro 16 Reimo Hightop Conversion, eTDI |
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denwood Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2012 Posts: 1047 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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SCM, 4x6 in the rear AC cabinet. There is lots of depth there but 4x6 is a tight fit on the width side. To be honest though adding mid- bass drivers to your front door would give better thump for your buck...and they're pretty easy to install. The door is a great bass chamber if acoustically treated to dampen it. Any base generated by 4x6 speakers in the rear will mostly be lost at highway speeds. My goal was to listen to Boticelli at 100km/h with a window open and still enjoy it without massive distortion..ha. Seems it took 850 watts and 7 speakers.
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denwood wrote: |
Upgraging the rear speakers helped a lot..with enclosures built into the AC cabinet to tighten them up:
Lastly, the sub. ] |
Hey Den, what size are those speakers that you put in the rear? I have 4" Polks all around and while they sound ok I would love to get a little more bass without the hassle and aux battery drain that a sub would introduce.
I just haven't gotten around to measure to what will fit the cabinet. Is there anything that limits to the depth of what speakers will fit? |
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone!
If you don't have air conditioning, there is a cabinet there. A 4x6 would be too big, right? Then, you'd need a 5x5 maybe?
denwood wrote: |
SCM, 4x6 in the rear AC cabinet. There is lots of depth there but 4x6 is a tight fit on the width side. To be honest though adding mid- bass drivers to your front door would give better thump for your buck...and they're pretty easy to install. The door is a great bass chamber if acoustically treated to dampen it. Any base generated by 4x6 speakers in the rear will mostly be lost at highway speeds. My goal was to listen to Boticelli at 100km/h with a window open and still enjoy it without massive distortion..ha. Seems it took 850 watts and 7 speakers.
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tam _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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surfinwesty Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2008 Posts: 313 Location: Petaluma, California
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chojinchef Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2011 Posts: 1539 Location: Central Massachusetts
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Front - Rockford Fosgate 4" in stock location. RF in door on lower portion. Have matching tweeters going in dash corners next time it's removed. I modified stock grilles to work over the 4" speaker and keep some semblance of original look.
Rear - Rockford Fosgate 6x9's in seat base. RF 5.25's in upper cabinet. Both run off an Alpine amp under drivers seat.
Contemplating a sub of some sort, just haven't found a solution I liked yet. _________________ Its a mistress; an expensive, whiney, needy bitch of a mistress. She is a chunky, dirty girl with bad skin, little motivation and yet she always makes me smile. She sure has been around before shacking up with me. She has a direct line to my wallet, plays with my emotions, is consistantly jovial yet with a sarcastic and sardonic side, is consistant in her inconsistancy, and every once in a while gives me a great ride and a fantastic memory. |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Nope. I'd stomp it flat in no time... _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, that wouldn't last. I have kids. What's that!? Finger right through it!
tam
Domo wrote: |
Nope. I'd stomp it flat in no time... |
_________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
Making it special:
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I use Focals _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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The gentleman at FutureShop (like BestBuy) suggested these Kenwood KFC-1054S and thought they'd fit. They don't have anything in their store that will fit and I don't want to order something that then doesn't fit and has to be returned b/c then I have to drive back to the US to do it. Which is fine, BUT it has to be done in their little time frame, which is annoying!
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_43774_Kenwood-KFC-1054S.html
Happy to spend up to $100, don't want to spend more than that. Want speakers for front and back.
Opinions please!? Better ones w/ links so I can order them instead, please!
Thank you!
tam _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16505 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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tam_shops wrote: |
The gentleman at FutureShop (like BestBuy) suggested these Kenwood KFC-1054S and thought they'd fit. They don't have anything in their store that will fit and I don't want to order something that then doesn't fit and has to be returned b/c then I have to drive back to the US to do it. Which is fine, BUT it has to be done in their little time frame, which is annoying!
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_43774_Kenwood-KFC-1054S.html
Happy to spend up to $100, don't want to spend more than that. Want speakers for front and back.
Opinions please!? Better ones w/ links so I can order them instead, please!
Thank you!
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Tam, if you have manual windows the handle is very close to the door card and many speaker 'covers' like these sit too far out and will interfere with winding the window up or down. If you have electric windows then...... never mind..... _________________ Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 and Peloquin TBD
"To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive." Robert Louis Stevenson
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620646
Building a bus for travel in Europe (euroBus)
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695371
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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THANK YOU!
Yes, I have manual windows and want the speaker in the stock location. I thought there was that *thing* you could get to move the window winder handle out more?
tam
dobryan wrote: |
Tam, if you have manual windows the handle is very close to the door card and many speaker 'covers' like these sit too far out and will interfere with winding the window up or down. If you have electric windows then...... never mind..... |
This:
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_1664_1090/window_crank_extension_pair.html
Will it solve that if it's a problem, or is there a better option. My preference is not add nothing and save the $26...idiot location for a speaker! _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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madmax25 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2007 Posts: 204 Location: Kansas City MO
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:31 am Post subject: |
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After years of tweaking and upgrading, I've finally got a pretty decent system in my bus:
In the stock 4" location, I've got some nice dedicated mids hiding behind the stock grilles that I cut off the originals. Got them from partsexpress.com (awesome source for diy stereo stuff), they're bamboo fiber coned and weren't labelled for auto use, but I don't heed warnings. They sound good, not much bass but they don't need it. They're powered off the HU and bandpassed with passive filters to just cover the midrange.
To fill in the low and high ends, I got a set of 6.5 kenwood components. They're powered by a 4 channel amp under the bench seat. I made some baffles out of some thick plywood- helps a lot with the bass response and rattles, spaces the speaker out for more door cavity clearance, and I had to cover a nasty hole where I used to have some 5x7's. While the bus was stripped down for paint a few years back, I FatMatted most of the doors and panels, and have some sound deadening on the back of the front door cards to keep the rattles down.
The tweeter just hangs out tucked in the corner. Double stick tape. Was going to try to get fancy with mounting but it's pretty low profile and doesn't stick out too bad. This placement gives a nice cloud of treble to the cabin .
Some cheap ass old 6x9's that just won't die for rear fill. I've got them hooked to the 4 channel amp under the seat and wired for a Hafler effect (old school 70's surround trick that cancels the center information, leaving the hard L R pans). I've got them hi passed around 120 and have them just loud enough to 'complete the picture.' I used to love loud bassy rear fill, but once you get a nice setup in front, you never go back. And for the record, speakers can be spray bombed .
And for the icing on the cake, my custom butt rumbler. I made a tetris-shaped MDF box that fills every inch of the spare battery compartment. It houses a slimline 10" sub, and is powered by this little 2 channel guy. It BARELY fits. There is literally no room to spare, i even had to cut part of the surround and bash the underside of the seat metal up a bit to keep things from rubbing or muffling. And unfortunately, this only works on non-swivel seats. It works well though. Depending on the music it can max out a bit at highway volume, but is definitely loud enough to keep up with the system and promote chronic hearing damage Best part is it's totally out of the way.
This is all running off a decent sony head unit with good EQ and imaging options. I used to be big into sound engineering, and am a budget-minded audiophile. I wanted a system that sounded killer, but didn't sacrifice the functionality or storage of the bus, and didn't look too shiny to all the Nor Cal tweekers lol. I'll never quit fussing with it, but I'm pretty happy for now. _________________ -Elliot
'88 Vanagon GL "Big Red"
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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best mounting I've seen yet - now angle the tweets in a bit
some one should fab up a tweeter mount that molds to the corner at the base of the A pillar and sell them _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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tam_shops Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1530 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Those look nice! Thank you!! Do you have a link for the specific speaker you used for the stock location? Do you think it'd sound as good as (or better) than the originals did? I only have one front speaker, so anything is better than that! LOL
tam
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After years of tweaking and upgrading, I've finally got a pretty decent system in my bus:
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_________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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idahoskier Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2009 Posts: 161 Location: Donnelly, ID
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Alpine SPS 6.5" up front with Vanagon factory grills. Window cranks become a non-issue. Alpine Type R 6x9" in rear under seat and SPS 4" in the AC cabinet. Works for me
How they got there:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=465055&highlight= _________________ 85 Westy w/ 2.2L Subaru
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