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oldbusboy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: "Vintage Speed of Taiwan" SS Abarth copy. |
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Anybody have any feedback on this ss Vintage Speed 4 tip exhaust?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=59205670080620...mp;theater
Looks and sounds decent from what I can tell. No indication of price on this model. Other versions look to be around $450 USD
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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RichardinNZ Samba Member
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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RichardinNZ wrote: |
Having heard about the quality of their other exhausts I hoped they would be doing this! |
Making suggestions to companies like Vintage speed I think helps out too......I ran one of their header style exhausts on my bus out on the salt for 2011. I had to of course modify it to fit a 36hp, and the were good enough to sell me just the header as I made my own exhaust can. I suggested at the time that maybe they should think about some offerings for the 25/36hp market and it looks like they took it to heart with some of the early engine exhausts they now offer. The quality is excellent and well worth the price. _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
"All limitations are self imposed."
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dandand Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Anybody have experience with this supplier? Do they sell direct, or thru dealers. If dealers, who?
Specifically I'm interested in their "Abarth" muffler.
Their website shows:
Engine » , Exhaust and accessories » Abarth exhaust (p/n) 1053-10
Abarth exhaust, 25/30 hp
stainless steel
In stock? 12/04/2013
http://www.bbt4vw.com/en/catalogue/5-engine%20/10-...ss-steel-/
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dandand Samba Member
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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Blauchen L331 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:01 am Post subject: Re: "Vintage Speed of Taiwan" SS Abarth copy. |
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They sit way too low on the car.....way do they make the ABARTH pipes curved???? Only the pre 1956 ABARTH pipes had a slight downward slope to clear the bottom of the apron.
The correct post 1955 ABARTH was a straight styled muffler, all four pipes coming out straight from the muffler.
When will anyone get this right????
Tom _________________ OG PAINT L331 1957 TYPE 1 OVAL WINDOW
(US Navy In Germany/ Special Ordered Car from MAHAG Munich)
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Kjell Roar Samba Member
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RichardinNZ Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Tom
They make two versions of their dual tip 36hp exhause; one for cars with cut outs and the other for cars without. I therefore expect that we'll see two versions of their 4 tip too......
Thanks
Richard _________________ Richard
'58 Beetle; NZ Assembled
Dual Carb 36hp
My Car https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=1750253 |
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Blauchen L331 Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2011 Posts: 1269 Location: Gainesville, Florida
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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RichardinNZ wrote: |
Tom
They make two versions of their dual tip 36hp exhause; one for cars with cut outs and the other for cars without. I therefore expect that we'll see two versions of their 4 tip too......
Thanks
Richard |
Well, it seems that ALL the repops (even the very ill fitting 4 tip muffler from FLAT 4 out of the 1990's) had the bent pipes.
No one has made the straight pipes for the cut outs yet, a true ABARTH copy.
The Belgian one has the bends, but not as radical as the Wolfsburg West one looks like it could be used on a lawnmover it's like 6 to 8 inches too low.
Looks horrible see below
WW one
Belgian one
This one is the closest to the original design, but I've heard from some vintage speed tuners that it suffers from backpressure issues and the seller takes months and months to ship the finished product?
CIP1 is supposed to have the Belgian one, but I'm thinking that they might be the German pipes, which also have a stupid bend in them.....
No one has truly made a ABARTH muffler from original drawings which I've also seen online, I'm surprised that no one has found any resposten/N.O.S. stocks of the originals in Italy, I but I don't think the ABARTH pipes sold well back in the old days, that's why they are so rare......
Ernst 4 tip Muffler
The German company Ernst also made 4 tip mufflers as well for 25 and 36HP cars, but they are as equally rare as an original ABARTH style pipe.
See how straight the pipes are, the Ernst is a direct copy of the Italian ABARTH muffler.........
Finding original era photos with good shots of the pipes is very hard, this photo is from another Samba member Stale Air and shows his Mother together with the family's first VW that they were so proud of complete with the brand new accessory ABARTH muffler, note length and angle of pipes.
Please have a read at this thread, there's some repeated stuff there, but it gives you the idea of the current situation with the repro pipes/mufflers.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=375343&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Tom _________________ OG PAINT L331 1957 TYPE 1 OVAL WINDOW
(US Navy In Germany/ Special Ordered Car from MAHAG Munich)
Delivered with Semaphores - German "Puntchen" Cloth Polkadotted Interior -
USA RAM Protection/Export Overrider Bumpers - MPH Speedometer -
Sealed Beam Headlights and Bullet Front Turn Signals!
99.9% ORIGINAL PARTS WITH ONLY 36,500 ORIGINAL MILES/ GARAGE FIND/ UNRESTORED CAR |
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joe h. Samba Member
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joe h. Samba Member
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Blauchen L331 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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joe h. wrote: |
This is a 1980's reproduction Abrarth I've had for several years. I'm not sure who made it.
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That I think is the ORIGINAL Flat 4 once made ca. 1985 or so?
Tom _________________ OG PAINT L331 1957 TYPE 1 OVAL WINDOW
(US Navy In Germany/ Special Ordered Car from MAHAG Munich)
Delivered with Semaphores - German "Puntchen" Cloth Polkadotted Interior -
USA RAM Protection/Export Overrider Bumpers - MPH Speedometer -
Sealed Beam Headlights and Bullet Front Turn Signals!
99.9% ORIGINAL PARTS WITH ONLY 36,500 ORIGINAL MILES/ GARAGE FIND/ UNRESTORED CAR |
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dandand Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:36 am Post subject: |
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I've been in touch with Vintage Speed, and they are taking orders now. They want to know several things:
"Do you need heat riser?"
"Does your beetle have tail pipe cutouts?"
They also indicate it takes four weeks to build.
The cost is $435 plus $98 shipping.
Check out p/n 155-201-05100 on their website (Type 1 engine High Performance Sport Muffler for 25HP, 36HP - $435 ea). You'll see that they ask the same questions for this twin tip muffler. And it's the same price.
Pretty clear that they just substitute the smaller quad tips for the bigger twin tips.
They also have SS j pipes and adapters. |
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dandand Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Another cool feature I forgot to mention: This muffler has an oxygen sensor port built in. (Check out the full size image on their website) This is important if you use an air/fuel ratio gauge for getting the jetting dialed in.
PS to Burly: I know this Abarth style exhaust is not legal in Stone Stock.
I'll hang onto my old rusty twin pipe set-up just in case I ever need it again. |
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kuplatin Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: "Vintage Speed of Taiwan" SS Abarth copy. |
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I'm just wondering at the video and thinking something doesn't look right to me. Those tailpipe pairs are way too close to eachother! _________________ http://vw64.tumblr.com/ |
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kuplatin Samba Member
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djway3474 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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I saw them at the Bug In. If you want a replica these are not for you. Totally different look and construction. They do look good though. |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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