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richparker Samba Member
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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Ok... WTF is going on wrong here? Why don't these stupid things fit?
I went and installed the rest of the ARGs, fully anticipating that everything would go together fine, now. But it isn't!
The rack "feet" I have aren't fitting on the feet, even though I had every impression they were made for each other! What is going on here? Do I just need different feet? They don't even clamp down when fully tightened. Ugh
I spaced them 33 inches apart.
This shows it clamped as tight as possible. The part on the inside that is drawn down to tighten things interferes with the top of the artificial gutter. And the leg is pointing up too straight.
This is with the knob fully loose, but the tightening mechanism is still interfering with the leg "aiming" properly for the bar to be installed.
_________________ Dave Cook
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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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That is 100% right. You need to put the load bar through the foot pack before attaching it to the ARG. Are those the 10" or 12" rise? The 6" would have looked better. _________________ __________
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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richparker wrote: |
That is 100% right. You need to put the load bar through the foot pack before attaching it to the ARG. Are those the 10" or 12" rise? The 6" would have looked better. |
What is the shortest foot that would work with a tintop Bus? Even though I'd most frequently be using the racks on the Westy, I would like to also be able to use them on the '73.
Looks like Thule feel heights are 5, 8, or 11. _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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I see what you're saying but you're doing something wrong. Put the bar through both feet line it up then tighten the feet to the ARG. I've had that set up on 3 different truck toppers with no issues.
Maybe the issue lies with the fact that the pop top is flat and not on an slight angle like a truck topper. Athough I've seen plenty of ARGs on pop tops, westys and sportsmobiles with no issues. _________________ __________
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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The only thing I can think of is that these feet are model number 1050. I bought them used on ebay sometime in the winter.
On the descriptions for the ARGs, it says the work with model 300, 357, 953 (looking at it now). I may have made the mistake of assuming that all Thule gutter mount feet would fit on Thule ARGs.
I might look to see if I can "massage" the mechanism into fitting. _________________ Dave Cook
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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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I use the 5" rise foot pack and I put a slight bow on my bars to clear the roof. _________________ __________
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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I tried again. Just won't work. When I tried to tighten them down, it would just force the edge of the foot up and out of the gutter.
I can't see a way to attempt to modify these to work, that makes me confident enough that the modification would work, that woudn't likely destroy them. And I want to be able to resell these if they aren't going to work.
I took another pic with an extra ARG that shows how the clamp on these feet interfere with the ARG itself.
Most annoying part is that I was all set to put the canoe on the Bus for a camping trip tomorrow afternoon. It can go on something else, for this weekend, but still disappointing.
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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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Are you sure that is a Thule foot pack? It should be flat on the back side
PM me your cell number and I'll send you pics of the Thule feet I have on hand. I have two 5" and a 12" set on hand. _________________ __________
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richparker Samba Member
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 6:03 am Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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Yes, they are Thule legs. At least, all 4 of them have large Thule logos on them, Thule is stamped into the metal, and they fit the Thule bars I've got (purchased from a separate auction).
They must just be older models or something. They do work on the '73 OK, though wouldn't clamp 100% tight on it's gutter either, until I cut some rubber to add as a buffer for the paint. Not a big deal though, that seemed like a good idea anyway.
Unfortunately, even though I think they should be tall enough, the angle of the feet on the '78s gutters causes them to interfere with the top. That is what inspired me to go ahead and install the ARGs! _________________ Dave Cook
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tristessa Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 7:05 am Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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Winning is against the rules... |
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 8:19 am Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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I guess this is what I get for trying to save money by buying the parts separately, used.
It all started because someone advised that if I bought the high feet, they'd clear he pop top and mount to the Bus gutters. That is likely true with the newer style feet. But I searched ebay for something like "high foot rack mounts" or somesuch.
Oh well. I'll probably just buy the other style and re-sell these. Annoying but not the end of the world. _________________ Dave Cook
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Ride_On Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:11 am Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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Easy fix for this weekend - buy 2 pool noodles, use them as your pads for fore and aft of canoe (somewhere like 1/4 back from bow and stern maybe). Use 1 or 2 cam straps around the belly of the canoe to cinch it down, with at least a bow line to keep the canoe aligned straight.
Good luck! _________________ 1977 Westfalia 2.0 FI Skills EJ25 w SubaruGears 5sp
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:49 am Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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We ended up doing exactly that, though instead of the Bus, it went on my friend's Acadia. He was planning on driving it anyway that was a pretty easy solution. I was just disappointed in thinking I'd be able to try my new rack setup, and not being able to.
I did order some of the newer feet like RichParker has, so that should be the ultimate solution.
The current feet DO work on a tintop Bus, so I'd sell them to anyone around here that is interested. Then all you'd need to do is get yourself some bars.
We had a good time. It was my great dane, Jackson's first camping trip. He's just over a year old and I got him in January. I did take him one time to sleep in the Bus, but that time we got there after dark and came back after a quick breakfast. He had a lot of fun and is crashed out on the couch next to me right now.
This is my friend's boy and Jackson on the ride home. Zach wanted to ride in the bus between the state park and my house.
_________________ Dave Cook
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: TDI into '78 Bus Build Thread |
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I need to do a bunch of work on the front end of the Thing. So while it is lifted up in the air, I decided it would be worth a couple mount and balance fees to try the Grabbers out on the Bus. I had the front tires from the Thing mounted on a couple Bus rims I have laying around.
Holy moly, that really did make a difference in the feeling of the steering! There might be the slightest bit of effort vs. stock tires on the '73, but very noticeable difference in steering effort compared to the large rims and wider tires on the '78.
I'm going to leave them on for a few days before I jump right in, but I think I will likely move forward with the idea of swapping out to the Grabbers. They will fit the overall 'look' of this bus pretty well.
Which means I'd probably likely be willing to sell the Heritage rims I've got on there right now... _________________ Dave Cook
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