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busdaddy
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Any opinions or recent experiences with the brown VR seal?
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SGKent 
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Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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| I have about 3000 mi now on the Gowesty Sabo OEM $29 seal and no leaks. Gawd its nice to have a clean dry engine finally. |
Think it is time to get one of those and try it. |
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borninabus
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Location: Arizona Highways
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| Any opinions or recent experiences with the brown VR seal? |
i have used them w/ good results.
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curtis4085
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Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Bleyseng wrote: |
| I have about 3000 mi now on the Gowesty Sabo OEM $29 seal and no leaks. Gawd its nice to have a clean dry engine finally. |
Think it is time to get one of those and try it. |
I'm installing a Sabo seal in couple weeks. Annoying leak has got me changing the flywheel as well.
Having a better candidate balanced with current pressure plate then sticking Sabo seal in. Adrian said any main seal leak he couldn't fix with a new seal if he changed the flywheel he had the best result. Will see.
Remanufactured Flywheel from AVP, Sabo seal and fingers crossed.
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curtis4085
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I ended up using my current flywheel as it was in good shape. The Sabo seal is working so far. 200 miles no leaks.
The seal I pulled was some brand I've never heard of. KTP maybe. The seal was so loose it would just come out by hand.
Mechanic suggested we use ultra grey on the new seal. I suggested just using oil but since he was going to warranty this fix I went with his recommendation.
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SGKent
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Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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| any further updates on the SABO seal? Anyone have leaks starting again with one or is everyone still bone dry? |
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nathansnathan
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no drips here.  |
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curtis4085
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Have not been able to put more than few hundo on mine before the floods came. No leaks.
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SGKent
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Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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| nathansnathan wrote: |
| no drips here. |
how many miles +/-? |
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airkooledchris
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200 miles here and no leaks so far. engine that was just brought back from the dead and not a single drop on the floor from *anywhere* yet.
yes it has oil in it. |
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nathansnathan
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| no drips here. |
how many miles +/-? |
I had been running that seal since June of 2011. I pulled the engine about a month ago because I'd run out of valve adjustment on # 3 exhaust (using 911 adjusters- stock ones you wouldn't know they'd sunk so much), but still wasn't leaking. I drive 35 miles a day total going to and from work, some intense driving though.  Probably put ~10,000 miles on it, maybe more.
I put another sabo seal in the replacement motor, and after fixing a few initial drips (duct tape filler boot  ) it is now dry all around, the new engine, for a month only now. |
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Wildthings
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The engine I am putting in my 83 1/2 POS Vanagon was dry as could be in the bellhousing and clutch area. Very little wear on the clutch and flywheel so someone had obviously just been in there fairly recently, though there was a pretty good build up of dirt on everything. It had a Sabo seal. Whoever had put in the last seal had beat the case hard enough around the seal bore to peen it a bit. The old seal was a total pain to get out as a result and I was unable to drive the new seal in until I went back and chamfered the bore a bit with a utility knife.
The old engine I am pulling out I am pretty sure had a VR seal and the clutch area has a nice layer of black sooty looking oil everywhere. This seal has 30-40K on it, who knows how long it has been leaking as there was never enough of a leak to cause a drip or any other sign on the outside of the bellhousing. This engine had very poor compression, close to zero and a lot of blowby as a result so any leaks anywhere would have been exasperated by the higher than normal crankcase pressure. |
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melville
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OK, it's seal time chez melville, and this time I have the Matra tool. What's the word on T4 seals, flush with the case or bottomed in the seal bore?
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curtis4085
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| OK, it's seal time chez melville, and this time I have the Matra tool. What's the word on T4 seals, flush with the case or bottomed in the seal bore? |
My mechanic set mine flush. No leaks. Sabo. Was interesting to see how much tighter the Sabo seal went in compared to a 3k mile one we replaced.
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Joey
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Flush or driven fully in (a difference of a millimetre or two) shouldn't matter as long as the snout on the flywheel is in good shape and doesn't have a groove.
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Wildthings
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| Flush or driven fully in (a difference of a millimetre or two) shouldn't matter as long as the snout on the flywheel is in good shape and doesn't have a groove. |
Agreed, if you have a groove then setting the seal out by a mm or two can give the flywheel sealing surface a new lease on life. |
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nathansnathan
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The no drip thing came to an end for me last week. It was the first really cold week here in the OC, and I'd not changed from the 20w50.
I went to 10w40 this past weekend, wiped it up, mostly from the inspection plate area, seems partially the oil pump seal, maybe the fan seal, or even one of #2's pushrod tube seals maybe; mostly at the back. But there was also a small bit of dampness from the bell housing part.
I wiped it up, and with thinner oil even, the leak isn't near as bad as it was the first 2 days it appeared my work parking spot got 2 big drips, both thursday and friday. Yesterday just 1 small drip, off the little bit of case casting on the right rear that the motor would sit on.
I'll post in a bit if the flywhhel drip comes back or not with thinner oil/lower pressure in the cold weather.
Before you go poking fun about how warm it is in so cal, I will say the temps say low of 41 last Wednesday, but it must have been colder because I got the rare joy of scraping ice off my windshield with the end of a 2x4 at 4:30am that day. -they don't sell ice scrapers here, that I have seen.  |
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busdaddy
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| I got the rare joy of scraping ice off my windshield with the end of a 2x4 at 4:30am that day. -they don't sell ice scrapers here, that I have seen. |
Tip: a plastic credit or rewards card is a much more civilzed way to do that
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nathansnathan
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| nathansnathan wrote: |
| I got the rare joy of scraping ice off my windshield with the end of a 2x4 at 4:30am that day. -they don't sell ice scrapers here, that I have seen. |
Tip: a plastic credit or rewards card is a much more civilzed way to do that |
Funny, my Canadian coworker told me the same thing when I told him my story. You would think I'd know this, since I grew up in Buffalo, NY.  -every car in Buffalo has its own ice scraper under the seat I guess. |
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airkooledchris
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I just bring a tall glass of warm water out with me in the morning. dump it over the windshield and the little bit of ice we get here just goes away.
to try and keep some bus content here, my flywheel seal is still perfectly leak free on my green bus (so thats about 5 months of service so far)
my blue bus still had the cheap rubber dipstick tube boot, and after a whole 1 year of service it went to hell already.
I replaced it this time with the Viton one and hoping it'll be a while before I have to address it again. |
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