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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:54 pm    Post subject: Headliner differences through the years Reply with quote

I need a little schooling on the differences between a 60 headliner and a 62 (need one for the 62 and a 60 is available but P# is different). Is there any list of yearly changes that include that or if that doesn't exist I surely can't be the first person who's wondered.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

60 would be a cloth (mohair) headliner. I think 62 would have been the 'new' plastic, or vinyl headliner. You could still make the cloth headliner work, though it wouldn't be stock.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 62 has a mohair headliner and its original.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1958-62 headliners were pretty much the same, except for colors. It was a German wool type material.

I believe 1963 was the first year vinyl headliner. The front portion featured a "simulated perforated" section, while the rear half was actual perforated. In 1964, the headliner was fully perforated.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, mine already has remnants of the wool but why is the 60 and earlier listed as a different part? number of bows or some other detail? Or is it the door posts that are covered differently?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So nobody knows what's so different between 60 and 62? Why would most suppliers list them as different parts?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RareAir wrote:
I believe 1963 was the first year vinyl headliner. The front portion featured a "simulated perforated" section, while the rear half was actual perforated. In 1964, the headliner was fully perforated.

On my recently purchased 1966 project the vinyl headliner has both the painted and the perforated sections. The whole back section around the rear window and the first section of the front are printed while the center sections are perforated. Would VW have still been installing these types of headliners as late as 1966?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe US export 62 sedans were cloth and 62 sunroofs were vinyl. All US from 63 on were vinyl.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

63 had a one year only head liner that was the same multi piece design as the 62 and earlier wool units but used the printed/perforated vinyl material.

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64 up had a vinyl "one piece" headliner.

I have yet to see a correct 64 up headliner that has the separate section for the back window as seen in this photo.

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Graysky, would you mind posting more detail shots of your headliner especially below the rear window area. These days an original headliner is hard to come by so photo documentation of yours would be great.


edit: added pic of original 63 headliner
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

graysky wrote:
Would VW have still been installing these types of headliners as late as 1966?

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Yes, my 70 has the original headliner and it is that way, perforated and printed
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On several original 1960's that I have seen, the door posts were a vinyl trim. Was this to make them easier to clean? Not sure.

I purchased a TMI beige cloth headliner for my 1960. It did not have the vinyl door posts but rather was the cloth material. I didn't really know this detail at the time but since mine is a driver, I was not that concerned. Perhaps someone who is knowledgeable about the 61 - 62 beetles could chime in. Did they also have the vinyl door posts or were they changed to the cloth? Perhaps there are other differences. I am interested in knowing about this as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive had vinyl B pillar and window sash on all of my 56 up export cars.

Ive never had a 55 or earlier car so cant comment on that
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlteWagen wrote:
Graysky, would you mind posting more detail shots of your headliner especially below the rear window area. These days an original headliner is hard to come by so photo documentation of yours would be great.

Unfortunately the section under the rear window was cut out at some point and a carpet set installed where the carpet goes all the way up and follows the curve of the window. Here's a pic with the carpet pulled back. You can see some fringe remains of the headliner peeking out from the window rubber.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

graysky wrote:
Would VW have still been installing these types of headliners as late as 1966?

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Yes, my 70 has the original headliner and it is that way, perforated and printed

Thanks for verifying this 60ragtop and sorry to all for temporarily hijacking this thread away from the 61-62 headliners
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

graysky wrote:
graysky wrote:
Would VW have still been installing these types of headliners as late as 1966?

60ragtop wrote:
Yes, my 70 has the original headliner and it is that way, perforated and printed

Thanks for verifying this 60ragtop and sorry to all for temporarily hijacking this thread away from the 61-62 headliners


It's good to know all the variations, in fact there are three other headliners for 61 and three for 62 and those would be the the sunroof models and the standard model with a 3/4 headliner and the standard sunroof model. The 3/4 liner is my favorite here is a picture of a 66 fabric sliding sunroof... just think in 64- at least 67 you could have a steel sliding roof and a fabric sliding roof. Think of all the headliner combinations;
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally we are getting somewhere with this Smile
So seemingly the difference would be mohair Vs: vinyl on the posts and under the windows but aside from that the main section would be the same? Mine has smooth vinyl on the posts and remnants of mohair up top.

Good to know the details on the rest of them too Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:59 pm    Post subject: Headliner Differences Reply with quote

My '62 built June 8, '62 had cloth headliner and cloth on the post. You should be able to use the '60 liner just fine. The vinly on the post is preferable in my opinion. I wish mine came with post/vinly or I had thought to do it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Headliner Differences Reply with quote

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My '62 built June 8, '62 had cloth headliner and cloth on the post. You should be able to use the '60 liner just fine. The vinly on the post is preferable in my opinion. I wish mine came with post/vinly or I had thought to do it.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Headliner Differences Reply with quote

AlteWagen wrote:
Harris wrote:
My '62 built June 8, '62 had cloth headliner and cloth on the post. You should be able to use the '60 liner just fine. The vinly on the post is preferable in my opinion. I wish mine came with post/vinyl or I had thought to do it.


was your car a euro?


No.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is a thread where I asked the question

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