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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:33 am Post subject: My 1970 Squareback build thread |
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Hello Samba! I have owned my 1970 Squareback for a little over a year now and have decided to start a build thread. A little background on the car; Well the previous owner I bought it from had bought it some time in the late 70's and used it for traveling. He went down to Mexico, So cal, Nevada, and many more! Somewhere in the 80's he had decided to start a restoration. He welded the trim holes (and sadly warped most of the panels :/ ) Somewhere along the way he had suspended the restoration, and it sat close to 25 years in his barn. He had also owned a 67 and 71 Square in which he stripped a lot of parts! I mean A LOT! _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:39 am Post subject: |
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_________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Oh well, you should use those fenders if they aren't rusty. They all are gonna need filler to be perfect. I would drill the holes out again and put new stainless steel trim on it from ISP West in Carson, CA. They have everything for a Type 3. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:50 am Post subject: |
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I am using the passenger side fender because the current one was warped to hell I got a lot more pictures of my progress to upload! ISPWest is very cool! Thank you for your interest! _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I brought my car home on May 2nd, 2012, and only payed $850 for everything you saw!
Thats how the car was for a few months before I got it, Covered up in a sheep field!
In order; My father, previous owner and I.
Spent 9 hours the first day I bought the car sanding the roof. _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Besides sanding through lots of filler and many paint layers to find bare metal, The front clip needed to be replaced. So I posted a want ad here on The Samba, and with in a few weeks, my new clip was at my house, sanded down, and welded in!
The old clip
right before the new clip was welded in
new clip!
welded in!
fits great! _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:28 am Post subject: |
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So a few reasons I wanted the car was, Im a 3rd Generation Volkswagen owner. My Grandfather had a 56 Oval window, and a 60 Bus, and my father had many bugs before he found his 57 Oval he has owned for 22 years now.
Another reason Is I wanted to learn how to paint. I take auto body classes and have been privileged to paint many things such as parts as the passenger side front fender, Semaphores, Tail light housings and license plate light housinf off of my dad's 57 which is Chevrolet Medium Maui Blue Metallic (I colored matched the 22 year paint myself perfectly), 3 stage paint for GTI Parts, parts for a 77 Pontiac Firebird, and even John Deere yellow on a John Deere Deer made in the welding class!
Before
After
The Deer! _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Yours is typical for IL,NY,NJ as far as rust! Good on you for welding it back into shape! Neither my '56 or '57 has semaphores. Is your '57 a Euro model or something? _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Yes the 57 Is a european model, My dad had bought it at the Manassas Bug out back in 1991!
As far as rust goes, I plan to make new pan halves with a bead roller, and have made some patches you will soon see! _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:07 am Post subject: |
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We've made a few patches, and used a lot of duraglass and lightweight filler. So far Ive got the shell, Hatch, The doors inside and out and the drivers side qtr panel in primer. Im also adding an inspiration shot of what I want the car to look like, Brunswick Blue with a white roof!
The rockers and surrounding areas needed some work
As did the bottom of the qtr panel
Heres a picture of the car before more primer _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:11 am Post subject: |
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We used white Epoxy primer on the shell and hatch, and covered it with 2k High build sandable primer, But just 2k Primer on the rest for two reasons. White epoxy has no corrosion protection, and the huge amount of filler used on the warped panels
_________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Between going to shows and buying goodies from the swap meets, and gathering parts over the winter when I couldnt work on the car I'd like to say I got some cool stuff as well as stuff I needed! Got myself a europlate at the Manassas show, Empi gt-4 exhaust, Fiberglass euro bumpers, and Quality West Coast metric rubber! Oh and stickers Ive gathered! Gotta love stickers!
_________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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joey1320 Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: Cleveland, OH
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:05 am Post subject: |
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We pulled the engine out of my square with the plans of rebuilding it stock, and eventually building the second engine I got with it into a 1835. We used a wire wheel and wire disks to clean up the engine tins, and a Harbor Freight parts cleaner with Purple Power for the engine blocks. We had the stock heads rebuilt and got NOS heads when we bought the car to put on the engine for the 1835 Plan to paint the engine with High temperature paint in a rattle can.
_________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
Youtube: GrafsGarage3
Instagram: GrafsGarage
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TheGrafs Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Joey! _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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joey1320 Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: Cleveland, OH
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:10 am Post subject: |
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You guys are moving quickly
I have '70 Square and it's in rough shape due to Ohio rust. Right now I want to get it mechanically correct, but sooner than later the body will need attention. You guys are an inspiration
Have fun with the build! _________________ **1971 Super Project
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Heres a funny story with in itself. I was at the Litchfield 2012 show when I first laid my eyes on a set of turtlebacks. I had never seen them before, but had the money to buy them, but owed my parents some money for buying the car. I decided to pay them back but kicked myself for not buying them wheels! So the searched began! At first My plans were to paint up the stockies blue and white like the car.
Cleaned them up with some wire disks and 180 grit sand paper
After looking for over a year for a set, I scored big when fellow Samba user Matt Stallard sold me these Silver Turtlebacks WITH CENTER CAPS for $450 Im gonna feel bad painting them to match my car, but wow what a deal!
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My Square; I also plan to use Chassis saver underneath the panels, the wheels wells, engine bay, underneath, the floor plans and front trunk where I welded my new clip
My Dads 57
Even on the New Beetle
_________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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Instagram: GrafsGarage
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, and Im glad we can inspire you Joey! Ours has come along way from when it was in a sheep field lol. Ours has some rust issues as well, but its good to learn something new! Good luck to you on your 70 Square as well! Stay tuned for a lot more to come! _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22431 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:06 am Post subject: |
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It looks like you're making great progress. Nice to see someone not affraid to tackel "east coast/ salt belt" issues.
Will you get it done in time for the 2014 Type 3 Invasion in Fairport NY? That's the big question. Nice work either way. Look at the links in my signature to see how I take care of rust. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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TheGrafs Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2012 Posts: 239 Location: Utica, New York
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Bobnotch! Funny you say that because I was talking to a gentlemen at the Litchfield show and he said the same thing! Id love to take it out the Type 3 Invasion! My original goal was two year, and I have plans with my Autobody teacher of getting the car in the paint booth by September. The cars rust isnt as bad as most New england and NY Vw's because it spent time in the dry south west, but its still worth saving to me! Im willing to be most people would have left it as is for a hood ride Ill definitely take some time to read up on your tips of rust repair, thank you! _________________ 1957 Oval Semaphore Beetle
1964 Notchback S
1966 Fastback
1970 Squareback
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