No more NEW Registrations in Texas?

buggy2430 · Samba Member Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 261

I bet here in NC it may become more difficult. I've heard rumors out-lawing rails for years. No fenders... My glass buggy is titled as a 73 beetle. Tax on it every year was cheap. They valued it at $300 bucks. Now it qualifies as an antique! 10 times what it was last year! Just because it became one year older! I'm going to challenge this.

didget69 · Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Watch Out

buggy2430 · Samba Member Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 261

For some reason I thought you might chime in. You are just as afraid the loonies in Raleigh might pick up on this as I am. Why you seem to be an adversary as a fellow buggy owner I will never know.

l8sho · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:22 am Post subject:

Well, I'm in Texas and rebuilding the buggy I bought out-of-state a while back. I'm too deep into it with too much spent to stop now. But I've got to say I'm concerned. A lot of us have invested more than just money in our projects. I hope there's a way through this for all of us. You fellas that are doing the research, keep us posted. And let us know if there is anything we can do to help get this clarified in a way that serves us all.
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kustoms · Samba Member Joined: November 20, 2003 Posts: 1313

jamboguru · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:38 am Post subject:

saying "Dune Buggy" is not the problem.... They are trying to get everyone that is driving around in a buggy titled and registered as a Beetle to do it the correct way.

I have 2 fiberglass buggies.

one is title as a 68 Desert Fox Spoiler
and the other as a 70 Meyers Manx

My EMPI is titled as a 65 EMPI Sportster

Just took a little extra paperwork on my part, but they are done the right way
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l8sho · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:14 am Post subject:

Alma Jo, I have absolutely no problem with doing it the right way. To tell the truth, I've always thought what you described is the way it should have been done all along. Never felt trying to call it a "19-something 2 door VW" was quite honest for registration or insurance purposes, and might cause problems down the line.

You mentioned "a little extra paperwork". Would you mind walking me through it sometime when you get a chance?

kustoms · Samba Member Joined: November 20, 2003 Posts: 1313

l8sho · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:56 am Post subject:

Tom, been following these posts since the beginning, especially yours. You've been doing the heavy lifting here and I, for one, appreciate it. As usual there are a lot ridiculous posts here, but maybe jamboguru has an answer we can live with. I'm willing to listen.

As you say, they're trying to clean up the roads. That's not necessarily a bad thing. What would be a bad thing (a very bad thing) would be getting in the way of anyone like yourself who want to come here and contribute to the economy and do something positive for a lot of folks who would love to have you here.

I don't want to rely on "hope", but I don't know how to get the bureaucracy to quantify and clarify its position. I'm going to give that number a call and see if there's something I can do.

Thanks again Tom

kustoms · Samba Member Joined: November 20, 2003 Posts: 1313

jamboguru · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:59 am Post subject:

GrumpyOldVet · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:13 pm Post subject:

I got my Rejection letter from the state of Texas last week. According to the Letter there is no longer a category for assembled Vehicles.

I started with a Chenowth Chassis with a tag on it with the Chassis Model Number and Serial Number on it. Of course it is made with a VW Swing arm rear end, and King pin front end.

According to the Letter I received What I was trying to title was made from several different vehicles and not made from one vehicle. It also did not classify as a rebodied vehicle, because I did not start with a NTHSA approved Chassis.

I know there is a Buggy maker that was moving from the North East to Texas, they have put their move on hold, do to the new law passed in April of this year. They are working with the state to reinstate the Assembled Category so they can title their chassis.

jamboguru · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:21 pm Post subject:

we just need to get a fellow aircooler to get one of the positions that has the power to make/change the rules....
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l8sho · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:32 pm Post subject:

Now I'm really confused. The manual and pages referenced by jamboguru specifically address Manxes and other bodies built on a VW floorpan. It also includes a section on "assembled" vehicles. Grumpy said he's been officially informed that these have been eliminated as of April this year. The date on this manual is April 2013!! Somebody in Austin has got it wrong.

didget69 · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Didget

l8sho · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:52 pm Post subject:

Didget: You seem to be missing the point entirely. The issue that concerns nearly everyone who has posted on this thread has nothing to do with an arbitrary valuation created by the state or the owners. (there was one but he's not in Texas) Its about changing horses midstream on the part of the state. Changing the rules without providing clear recourse. And, if the current manual for titling is to be believed, ignoring their own published rules to the detriment of dedicated vehicle owners who are simply trying to enjoy their hobby in a proper and lawful manner.

In your case, the state provided you with recourse, i.e., get three valuations. Problem solved! That is in no way similar to what we are discussing here.

I can agree with you that there are those few who will abuse their privileges creating a bad situation for those who do not. Happens all the time in this country. This appears to be another case of "the law of unintended consequences" by government, where an attempt to deal with the abusers ends up harming everyone.

BTW: I know the difference between a right and a privilege. Thank you!
cd

EVfun · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:32 pm Post subject:

GrumpyOldVet · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:15 pm Post subject:

EVfun · Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:10 am Post subject:

Thanks for bringing that up GrumpyOldVet. There is a potential ally group!

Many, perhaps most, street rods do not have original frames under the bodies. That group seems to have some political pull, just look at how many states have street rod mentioned in their vehicle regulations with certain relaxing of the code for them.

I want to apologize for the "conservative" quip. So many states seem to be messing with custom vehicle owners and/or requiring regular vehicle inspections. Some states surprise me more than others, but a political quip about it wasn't appropriate here.
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buggy2430 · Samba Member Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 261

No way I will pay a tax 10 times what it was last year. Any FOOL knows that ain't right. And it ain't!!! Maybe I will rile some by refusing to pay this Oppressive Tax but I DON"T CARE!!! Enough said. I don't want trouble here on this site or anywhere else. I am challenging this asessment and I might just win. I will keep you all informed.


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