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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

Been trying to track down, to no avail. Who authored this amendment to the code? Is there transcript of what their rationale was? Where the lobbying efforts came from?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

You can learn a lot by joining this page. We are working on this issue.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/SavetheTexasDuneBuggy/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

Yet another assault on the car hobby. I just gave a few bucks to the SavetheTexasDuneBuggy/Kitcar on GoFundMe and I live in California! As owners of old and unusual cars we are all potential targets. Get the word out.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

CALL TO ACTION!
Fellow Texas State Dune Buggy Owners, it has been a while. However I am sure that you know we have been hard at work, so that we be prepared to make comprehensive changes to Administrative 217.3(B).
In our continued digging we found out about the Sunset Commission. The Legislature created the Sunset Commission in 1977, to question the need for as well as the success of agencies carrying out the responsibilities of the State Government. The Legislature relies on the Sunset process take a look at State Agencies and programs to see if they are still relevant, and if so, how they can do their jobs better. The Sunset is made up of 5 Senators, 5 House Members, and 2 members of the general public. The Chairman of the Sunset Commission is Senator Brian Birdwell & his chief of staff has already shown a great interest in our Title & Registration issue.
Here is the good news; the TxDMV is under Sunset Review this year. The TxDMV provided a Self-Evaluation report, whatís important in that is that the major issue they note. They are looking to clarify the process for appealing the departmentís decision to refuse, revoke, or suspend a Title. The TxDMV report is expected to be published in April. From there public hearings on the TxDMV sunset report will begin for any interested party who wishes to testify.
Here is how it will all work.
Step 1: Sunset Staff Evaluation
The Sunset Staff will perform extensive research and analysis to evaluate the need for, performance of, and improvements to the agency under review.
Step 2: Sunset Commission Deliberation
The Sunset Commission conducts a public hearing to take testimony on the staff report and the agency overall. Later, the Commission meets again to vote on which changes to recommend to full Legislature.
Step 3: Legislative Action
The full Legislature conciders Sunset recommendations and makes final determinations.
The Sunset Commission is currently in the Step 1 period. Within the self-evaluation report by the TxDMV. One of their major issues is TxDMV Self-Evaluation Report is as follows:
Issue 1: Clarify the process for appealing the departmentís decision to refuse, revoke or suspend a title.
Okay now that you have read all of that here is what we are suggesting people who are Texas State Residents to do. Please send a letter to the Sunset Staff that is close to what we suggest bellow.
We are working on a letter that you can send to the Sunset Commission, which you can closely follow. But we do ask that the letter only be sent by people who are Texas State Residents & that you let us know how you sent the letter that will be posted later today. It would be really nice to have a rolling count on what was sent. (We will post the USPS Address as well as the Email Address when the letter is posted.

The Sunset Commission Letter! If you send this letter PLEASE let us know if you sent it USPS or Email as it would be really nice to keep a rolling Count.
The letter can be sent to Sunset Commission:

1. electronically at
https://www.sunset.texas.gov/input-form-private?id=472...
DEPARTMENT MOTOR VEHICLES TD

2. Letter to the Texas Sunset Commission at Sunset Advisory Commission, PO
Box 13066, Austin, Texas 78711, attn.: Amy Tripp. Ms. Tripp is the project
manager working on the TxDMV sunset issue

My name is _______________ and I am providing comments regarding the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles Sunset self-evaluation report on major issue 1 regarding the departmentís decision to refuse revoke or suspend a title. Titles and registration on certain vehicles have either been revoked or the department has refused to issue titles and registrations on certain vehicles. The problem with these revocations is that the department has not established a consistent and firm position as to why the revocations and the decision not to issues titles and registration have been done.

More specifically, the department has made a rule not to allow Dune Buggies to be titled and registered for street use. In addition, the department has also made arbitrary rulings on other vehicles called Sandrails as well as Kitcars and has made similar and inconsistent decisions on the title and registration of those vehicles. Dune Buggies, Sandrails, and Kitcars, are essentially assembled vehicles.

At a December 7, 2017 TxDMV board meeting numerous owners of assembled vehicles provided expert testimony on the facts of persons owning fabricating and assembling these vehicles. The department decision is not consistent with the market place and federal laws and rulings and its own state laws. Below are facts provided to the department during the December 7 board meeting:

1. An assembled vehicle by definition in the TxDMV manual is a vehicle assembled from the three basic component parts (motor, frame, and body), except that a motorcycle must have a frame and motor, and a trailer or travel trailer will have no motor, and that is:
(i)assembled from new or used materials and parts by someone not regulated as a motor vehicle manufacturer;
(ii)altered or modified to the extent that it no longer reflects the original manufacturer's configuration; or
(iii)assembled from a kit even if a Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin or Manufacturer's Statement of Origin is provided.

Dune Buggies, Sandrail, & Kitcars are an assembled vehicles that meets one of these standards.

2. Dune Buggies, prior to the departmentís effective date of April 6, 2014 are not specifically addressed in department rules. This inconsistency allows the same type of dune buggy prior to the aforementioned 2014 date to operate legally in Texas. I request the department reinstate the title and registration of my dune buggy to be consistent with other similar vehicles safely and legally operating in Texas. Dune Buggies are not defined in Texas law, therefore, it is difficult to see how the department can determine the legality of a vehicle that is not defined.

3. Transportation Code Sections 501 and 504 regarding custom vehicles and street rods are inconsistent as stated by TxDMV staff. Therefore, if custom vehicles that are defined similar to assembled vehicle, which identifies a variety of kit cars, and are deemed legal to title and registration then the result would be for my vehicle to be treated likewise. This fits into ďoneĒ of the categories that was stated at the December board meeting.

4. TxDMV staff stated that the decision to revoke titles and registration was done at the local level by clerks at county tax-assessor collectors. It was stated that there are thousands of title clerks across the state that struggle with making these determinations at their offices on a daily basis. This struggle to make these determinations have caused titles and registrations to be incorrectly revoked.

5. According to department staff, there is not a consistent or clear determination by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) regarding vehicles that are subject to the departmentís review.

The assembled vehicles are being improperly evaluated and the department is relying on either local tax assessor rulings that the department admits is inconsistent or the department is not following its own policies regarding the types of vehicles they claim are street legal.

Due to the rulings and decisions by the department, private citizens are being denied the right to own and operate a privately owned vehicle resulting in loss of personal freedoms, loss of private sector investment, supply chain disruption; lost jobs and wages; and; loss of state and local revenues to the TxDMV from title and registration fees.
Given these incorrect rulings and inconsistencies with federal and state law, the department should immediately reinstate and provide future title and registration to those assembled vehicles that have passed the department mandated vehicle inspection and title and registration process.
Thank you for your time and attention in this important matter.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

Please note, this letter is to be sent from buggy owners and prospective owners/in build status/residents, that are from Texas.

I would love to send the letter too, but I am from WV.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

Just sent my Letter today via email...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

Hello all,

I just drove 18 hours to pickup my new buggy last weekend from Oklahoma. (I'm in Texas). Now, I've read through this thread about the on-going fight to rescind the ban against dune buggies. (which is outrageous). This morning I made a contribution to the Go Fund Me to help push this fight forward.

My question is this, my buggy is titled as a 1966 Volk VW 2DR. Can I go to my local DMV today to register it in my name? If so, is there anything in particular that I need to say or do? I know not to ever mention "dune buggy" but just wasn't sure if I went now if it would "flag" me for attempting to register a dune buggy.

Any input would be appreciated! Just trying to see if there's anyone else that has successfully registered a VW dune buggy since the Texas Administrative Rule 217.3 (6), has passed.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

didget69 wrote:
Bob Elgin wrote:
I live in Waco Texas, The vin number that i give is to a 1970 VW Bettle.I am telling the truth, with that being said the title also says vw Bettle This is news to me also. I just renewed my registration last month. I will keep a eye out on anything i see or here. I have relatives that work in the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles
The only question i have is with newer registration not being recognized anymore,How is it going to effect the insurance for the car(vw beetle/ Buggy)


Be aware that you may be in for a rude awakening from your insurance carrier if you have a wreck/claim, and they deny coverage because your buggy is not a '19XX VW Beetle' - I've seen it happen 3 times already to other buggy owners.

bryan


Yes, Titling/Registering/Insuring your Dune Buggy/Sandrail/Kitcar as a VW Beetle, could very well be seen as Falsifying a Legal Document or Insurance Fraud. BE CAREFUL in doing so.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

Good Morning Everyone, I have some good news! As most of you know, the Assembled Vehicles Working Group Meeting is all set to be held February 28th & March 1st. I just received the list of Invited Attendees, and the Agenda. I am not going to post everything at the advice of our Lobbyist, but I will point out what is important. A list of Invited Attendees include 15 TxDMV or State Employees, (Most of who we have already spoke to) and 12 Industry, Associations, and Other Stakeholders. Attorney for National Highway Traffic Safety Administration(NHTSA), President - Factory 5 Racing, Senior Director - Specialty Equipment Market Association(SEMA), General Counsel - Texas Automobile Dealers Association (TADA), Program Manager - American Association of Motor Vehicle Administration (AAMVA), 2 Owners of DF Kitcar, Justin, Ron, and myself. Please note that this is a list of Invited Attendees, there is no guarantee that they will all show up at this point. As for the agenda. The 28th will mostly be introductions and an overview of current Laws & Regulations both State level as well as Federal. The 1st will be when the discussions begin! It looks to me like they really want to try and figure out a way to make it possible for us to get our vehicles back on the road LEGALLY, as that is where the afternoons discussions seem to be geared. Problem is that I don't think this is the meeting were we will find a conclusion, as they already have a second meeting tentatively planned for April 19th. I also want to add that this meeting is unfortunately by invite only, and we had nothing to do with who was invited or had a say in how the meeting is planned. As usual, I will give a brief summery of everything as we go along. This is good news, as it still seems that they want to a reasonable solution that will let Safe Dune Buggies, Sandrails, and Kitcars back on the road LEGALLY. While keeping "Frankencars" that are simply unsafe OFF the road!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

BuggyFaron wrote:
Good Morning Everyone, I have some good news! As most of you know, the Assembled Vehicles Working Group Meeting is all set to be held February 28th & March 1st. I just received the list of Invited Attendees, and the Agenda. I am not going to post everything at the advice of our Lobbyist, but I will point out what is important. A list of Invited Attendees include 15 TxDMV or State Employees, (Most of who we have already spoke to) and 12 Industry, Associations, and Other Stakeholders. Attorney for National Highway Traffic Safety Administration(NHTSA), President - Factory 5 Racing, Senior Director - Specialty Equipment Market Association(SEMA), General Counsel - Texas Automobile Dealers Association (TADA), Program Manager - American Association of Motor Vehicle Administration (AAMVA), 2 Owners of DF Kitcar, Justin, Ron, and myself. Please note that this is a list of Invited Attendees, there is no guarantee that they will all show up at this point. As for the agenda. The 28th will mostly be introductions and an overview of current Laws & Regulations both State level as well as Federal. The 1st will be when the discussions begin! It looks to me like they really want to try and figure out a way to make it possible for us to get our vehicles back on the road LEGALLY, as that is where the afternoons discussions seem to be geared. Problem is that I don't think this is the meeting were we will find a conclusion, as they already have a second meeting tentatively planned for April 19th. I also want to add that this meeting is unfortunately by invite only, and we had nothing to do with who was invited or had a say in how the meeting is planned. As usual, I will give a brief summery of everything as we go along. This is good news, as it still seems that they want to a reasonable solution that will let Safe Dune Buggies, Sandrails, and Kitcars back on the road LEGALLY. While keeping "Frankencars" that are simply unsafe OFF the road!



Any report on how this meeting went?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

The meeting went good, but nothing is resolved just yet. The TxDMV will be setting up a follow up meeting for sometime in April. You are welcome to join the Facebook Group to see up to date information as we go along. https://www.facebook.com/groups/SavetheTexasDuneBuggy/



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

Good Morning fellow Dune Buggy, Sandrail & Kitcar Owners.
PLEASE ONLY LIKE THIS IF YOU ARE GOING TO SEND A LETTER TO YOUR STATE Legislators.
We are about to get started sending letters to our State Legislators once again! Below you will find a VERY good example of what we are looking for you to send. (A form Letter if you will.) You are welcome to cut & Paste or come up with your own. It does not matter, just send out a letter to your State Rep. When we did this last time, the TxDMV Received almost 200 letters. It would be really be nice to see far more go out to our State Legislators.
A big Thank you to Member Alan Holmes, for letting us another Form Letter that he has written. r Texas State Legislators are.
http://www.fyi.legis.state.tx.us/Home.aspx
A big Thank you to Member Alan Holmes, for letting us use another Form Letter that he has written.
Hello __________,
I want to inform you of an issue that myself and many others are having with the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles. A group by the name of the "Assembled Vehicles Coalition" has been attending a "Working Group" hosted by the TxDMV. The "Working Group" has been working towards a way to amend Administrative Rule 217.3. The "Working Group" was set up by the TxDMV to present our proposed changes that they said they would discuss with us. We complied and were prepared to discuss those in what was scheduled to be a half-day meeting. This was the second of two "Working Group" Meetings.
Early in the meeting the TxDMV told us that any effort to compare our "Assembled Vehicles" to any other class of vehicle such as shop-made motorcycles, three wheelers, rat rods, hot rods, low riders, lifted truck, autocycles etc (which ARE ALL legal) would not be heard because those vehicles were in a different class and each class stood alone. That makes no sense to us.
We were told that our class did not meet Federal Safety Standards and therefore would not be titled or registered. As I am sure you know, those standards involve things such as airbags, anti-lock brakes, emissions controls, etc., something that a VW based vehicle could ever reasonably do. When we asked why this did not apply to the other classes, we were told that the Department had not yet reviewed them.
Not too long after the meeting began, we were told that there was nothing more to discuss and that the Ruling to ban dune buggies, sandrails and most kit cars would stand as written. We felt betrayed by the Department because we were not even given the opportunity to present our proposals. Further, they said that their authority to enact such administrative rulings, which basically are like laws, came from the Texas Transportation Act of 2013 and it was valid.
We have checked with our group members from almost every other state and find that Texas now has the most stringent and restrictive laws concerning assembled vehicles than any other state in the nation including California, New York, Massachusetts, ......... I could go on and on. That is certainly not what one would expect from TEXAS. It is unnerving to think that the state with the most stringent emission laws allows Assembled Vehicles & the Great State of Texas does not.
Prior to now, our group has chosen to take the high road in our effort to change the rulings in a gentile, business-like manner. We opted to not involve the press or any other medium in hopes that the issue could easily be resolved. Unfortunately, the Department shut the door on that.
However, barring a change of heart by the Department, we are now entering an all-out media campaign against the Department. On Friday May 4th, 2018, we will be publishing a Press Release to local and national media to include print, televised, social, celebrity and any other means to get our message out there. That is something we held off doing up until now.
Further, we are already receiving support from several major national auto hobby-related organizations because the spread of such rulings to other parts of the country would have negative impact them. We plan to expand that list as well.
Obviously, this is not at all where we wanted this to go, but with all of the time and money that our members have invested in their vehicles, we are not going away quietly. I cannot even begin to imagine what response would come from the members of the other classes of vehicles if similar rulings are put into place for them, as they are Much Larger and well-funded than we are.
Lastly, it is my fear is that all of this will lead to criticism of the legislators, including those of the Transportation Committee who gave such broad, unbridled power to the Department to enact these rulings
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: No more NEW Registrations in Texas? Reply with quote

We are gaining traction!

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2018/05/04/txdunebuggy-03/?refer=news
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