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porschpow Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2005 Posts: 1256 Location: Hamilton, NJ / Flanders, NJ
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: Mysterious dealings |
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I notice whenever the bus warms up, that it makes popping noises that would usually go away after 5-10 minutes. I tightened the intake manifold and exhaust manifold bolts, checked the valves, checked the points, changed the oil.
I guess I still need to check the timing and the rich/lean mixture. I know it is 8 degreees btdc vacuum hoses off and all ends corked right?
Another thing I have been noticing is that after driving a while and shutting the van off to turn it back on again after 10-60 minutes (appx) I would have to pump excessively if not, hold it down when starting the van again. What gives??? What’s going on? The van Cranks like crazy! It is just hard to turn over without the aid of pumping the gas like a madman. _________________ -1973 Volkswagen Bus Westy (Weekender)
1.8 liter from 1.7(original)
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curtis4085 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2011 Posts: 4806 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:16 am Post subject: |
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What gives? She probably pissed you keep calling her a VaN.
It's a bus!! _________________ Special Thanks to:
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porschpow Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2005 Posts: 1256 Location: Hamilton, NJ / Flanders, NJ
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Haha, true I watched counting cars last night and i guess it rubbed off _________________ -1973 Volkswagen Bus Westy (Weekender)
1.8 liter from 1.7(original)
-2011 Subaru Outback
-1986 Honda Magna |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50260
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Alcohol laced gasoline will cause hot start problems in your VW Station Wagon (or VW VAN if you wish to use a more recognizable term). The problem seems to happen to most carbureted rigs on a hot summer's day, it isn't limited to old VW's. Don't have much problem with the progressive in my Bay, but my T181 and old Dodge both give problems once the outside temps get above 75° or so. Have thought about adding a fan to the T181 to cool the carb a bit after shutdown. |
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Mal evolent Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2009 Posts: 2912 Location: San Antonio, Nuevo Mexico
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:29 am Post subject: |
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it is not a bus.
it was called a bus by marketing people, in America only, because they didn't know to call it a van.
when the US auto industry copied the VW vehicle, they gave it a proper American name: van
bus was an error made by English as a second language marketing types. _________________ 73 Beetle Baja, Ghia front brakes, Type 3 rear brakes, 2220 ( 94 X 80 ), Weber Progressive, Bosch SVDA, '97 Mustang seats
Baja Bugs for Volkswagen Virgins: Index |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Mal evolent wrote: |
it is not a bus. |
Mine is! _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Mysterious dealings |
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porschpow wrote: |
I notice whenever the bus warms up, that it makes popping noises that would usually go away after 5-10 minutes. I tightened the intake manifold and exhaust manifold bolts, checked the valves, checked the points, changed the oil.
I guess I still need to check the timing and the rich/lean mixture. I know it is 8 degreees btdc vacuum hoses off and all ends corked right?
Another thing I have been noticing is that after driving a while and shutting the van off to turn it back on again after 10-60 minutes (appx) I would have to pump excessively if not, hold it down when starting the van again. What gives??? What’s going on? The van Cranks like crazy! It is just hard to turn over without the aid of pumping the gas like a madman. |
Has this problem always been there for you? If not, what condition changed that might have brought on this problem...what maintenance did you recently do?
Is your timing settings based on a modified distributor/carburetor combination, or is it all stock/OEM?
The hard cranking/delayed start after warm almost sounds like vapor lock.
What have you done to fix the two problems? |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50260
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Mal evolent wrote: |
it is not a bus.
it was called a bus by marketing people, in America only, because they didn't know to call it a van.
when the US auto industry copied the VW vehicle, they gave it a proper American name: van
bus was an error made by English as a second language marketing types. |
Yeah, but a Microvan just doesn't have the right ring to it.
IMO, VW really got it right when they used the names Kombi and Transporter. |
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Desertbusman Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2005 Posts: 14655 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to call it a van and imply it's in the same catagory as old Fords, Chebies, and Darges then go for it.
Mine is a bus just because it's different than those other vehicles. _________________ 71 Superbug
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webwalker Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2006 Posts: 2803 Location: Mount Laurel, NJ
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Mal evolent wrote: |
it is not a bus.
it was called a bus by marketing people, in America only, because they didn't know to call it a van.
when the US auto industry copied the VW vehicle, they gave it a proper American name: van
bus was an error made by English as a second language marketing types. |
Yeah, but a Microvan just doesn't have the right ring to it.
IMO, VW really got it right when they used the names Kombi and Transporter. |
Wildthings wrote: |
Mal evolent wrote: |
it is not a bus.
it was called a bus by marketing people, in America only, because they didn't know to call it a van.
when the US auto industry copied the VW vehicle, they gave it a proper American name: van
bus was an error made by English as a second language marketing types. |
Yeah, but a Microvan just doesn't have the right ring to it.
IMO, VW really got it right when they used the names Kombi and Transporter. |
But Keintransporter or Kleinbus really rolls off of the tongue?
Van is not a 'proper American name.' It is a proper British name, derived from a cargo transport 'caravan' with a permanently enclosed top. (A 'wagon' was not a 'caravan' as it had a removable top.) An enclosed vehicle for passenger transport was a 'carriage.'
Because of the connotation of 'van' meaning 'an enclosed vehicle for carrying cargo' VWoA described the Transporter as a 'Station Wagon' which was the closest idea that could commonly be understood for 'a vehicle carrying a moderate number of people' that had traction in the Madison Avenue vocabulary. The early descriptions in 1953 VW sales literature of a Micro-Bus or a (does this sound familiar?) Multi-Purpose Vehicle apparently wasn't good enough.
Yes, I'm channeling Nigel.
Ever wonder why so many vehicle names were so dead boring? Blame focus groups. A product designed to appeal to everyone will appeal only sightly to everyone.
M _________________ "Consistent maintenance with quality products is the cheapest warranty you'll ever need."
1977 CE1 Transporter Deluxe, Subaru EJ22, Skills Cooling, Steedle HD 091 w/ GuardT .81 4th
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airkooledchris Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2005 Posts: 2700
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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When im talking to VW heads, I call mine a Transporter.
When im talking to friends who aren't VW heads, I call it a bus.
When im talking to nitwits, I'll call it a van. |
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webwalker Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2006 Posts: 2803 Location: Mount Laurel, NJ
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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airkooledchris wrote: |
When im talking to VW heads, I call mine a Transporter.
When im talking to friends who aren't VW heads, I call it a bus.
When im talking to nitwits, I'll call it a van. |
Yeah, that sounds about right. I substitute 'Bulli' for Transporter, but that's just flavor. You know you're talking to a hard core VW nut when you get down to talking about T2a, T2b, T25, etc.
M _________________ "Consistent maintenance with quality products is the cheapest warranty you'll ever need."
1977 CE1 Transporter Deluxe, Subaru EJ22, Skills Cooling, Steedle HD 091 w/ GuardT .81 4th
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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TomWesty wrote: |
Mal evolent wrote: |
it is not a bus. |
Mine is! |
mine 2 _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
opinion untempered by fact is ignorance.
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mcdonaldneal Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2013 Posts: 2639 Location: Gullane, Scotland
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Tom Powell Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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TomWesty wrote: |
Mal evolent wrote: |
it is not a bus. |
Mine is! |
My Owner's Manual says Kombi.
Aloha
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phantomlimb Samba Member
Joined: January 20, 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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I am having the same problem on my 69 bay window. I was hoping to find some words of wisdom about this problem.
Not trying to be an ass-hat but it would be great if threads could stay on topic _________________ I hooked up my accelerator pedal in my car to my brake lights. I hit the gas, people behind me stop, and I'm gone. ~Steven Wright |
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Amskeptic Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2002 Posts: 8568 Location: All Across The Country
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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phantomlimb wrote: |
I am having the same problem on my 69 bay window. I was hoping to find some words of wisdom about this problem.
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The factory had a trick cut-off valve on the oem Pierburg fuel pump until 1971 when they switched to a stand-alone cut-off valve and hose gizmodry like the Type 3s had.
Replacement pumps from Brazil do not have this cut-off valve.
Use the factory starting procedure for hot hot hot days:
Place accelerator to the floor before you even begin to crank the engine.
Leave it there, do not ever pump the accelerator if it is taking its sweet time to catch.
Once engine catches, release the accelerator before the engine revs up. You really don't want the engine revving up after a gas rich start.
Colin _________________ www.itinerant-air-cooled.com |
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porschpow Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2005 Posts: 1256 Location: Hamilton, NJ / Flanders, NJ
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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Mysterious dealings |
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Wasted youth/adulthood wrote: |
Has this problem always been there for you? If not, what condition changed that might have brought on this problem...what maintenance did you recently do?
Is your timing settings based on a modified distributor/carburetor combination, or is it all stock/OEM?
The hard cranking/delayed start after warm almost sounds like vapor lock.
What have you done to fix the two problems? |
I guess I really never noticed it (weird, right), but it seems I have always had this problem.
No clue, I think stock it had a dual vacuum dizzy that was switched to a single port vacuum dizzy. Carburetor was switched to a progressive carb (before me, PO).
I wouldn’t call it hard cranking. She cranks like a madman (very good at cranking). It just has a hard time catching (turning over)
I tightened the intake/exhaust, inspected vacuum tube, inspected dizzy vacuum mechanism. _________________ -1973 Volkswagen Bus Westy (Weekender)
1.8 liter from 1.7(original)
-2011 Subaru Outback
-1986 Honda Magna |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Cranking and turning over mean the same thing, the crankshaft being rotated by the starter. Catching or firing would indicate that you are getting ignition in one or more cylinders while the engine is being cranked or turned over. |
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Montana74 Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2011 Posts: 410 Location: Montana
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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:25 am Post subject: |
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My standard routine is, on a cold start, I need to pump the gas as the engine cranks, then hold it down for about 3 seconds once the engine fires up. On a hot start, I need to hold the gas pedal down while cranking until the motor fires up, then release it. Seems fine to me for a 40 year old vehicle.....My '74 Beetle is just, Hold down the gas pedal while cranking, then release when it fires up.
It all seems pretty normal to me. _________________ 1974 Standard Beetle. |
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