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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:06 am    Post subject: Mysterious dealings Reply with quote

I notice whenever the bus warms up, that it makes popping noises that would usually go away after 5-10 minutes. I tightened the intake manifold and exhaust manifold bolts, checked the valves, checked the points, changed the oil.

I guess I still need to check the timing and the rich/lean mixture. I know it is 8 degreees btdc vacuum hoses off and all ends corked right?

Another thing I have been noticing is that after driving a while and shutting the van off to turn it back on again after 10-60 minutes (appx) I would have to pump excessively if not, hold it down when starting the van again. What gives??? What’s going on? The van Cranks like crazy! It is just hard to turn over without the aid of pumping the gas like a madman.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What gives? She probably pissed you keep calling her a VaN.

It's a bus!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, true I watched counting cars last night and i guess it rubbed off
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alcohol laced gasoline will cause hot start problems in your VW Station Wagon (or VW VAN if you wish to use a more recognizable term). The problem seems to happen to most carbureted rigs on a hot summer's day, it isn't limited to old VW's. Don't have much problem with the progressive in my Bay, but my T181 and old Dodge both give problems once the outside temps get above 75° or so. Have thought about adding a fan to the T181 to cool the carb a bit after shutdown.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is not a bus.

it was called a bus by marketing people, in America only, because they didn't know to call it a van.

when the US auto industry copied the VW vehicle, they gave it a proper American name: van

bus was an error made by English as a second language marketing types.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mal evolent wrote:
it is not a bus.

Mine is! Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Mysterious dealings Reply with quote

porschpow wrote:
I notice whenever the bus warms up, that it makes popping noises that would usually go away after 5-10 minutes. I tightened the intake manifold and exhaust manifold bolts, checked the valves, checked the points, changed the oil.

I guess I still need to check the timing and the rich/lean mixture. I know it is 8 degreees btdc vacuum hoses off and all ends corked right?

Another thing I have been noticing is that after driving a while and shutting the van off to turn it back on again after 10-60 minutes (appx) I would have to pump excessively if not, hold it down when starting the van again. What gives??? What’s going on? The van Cranks like crazy! It is just hard to turn over without the aid of pumping the gas like a madman.


Has this problem always been there for you? If not, what condition changed that might have brought on this problem...what maintenance did you recently do?

Is your timing settings based on a modified distributor/carburetor combination, or is it all stock/OEM?

The hard cranking/delayed start after warm almost sounds like vapor lock.

What have you done to fix the two problems?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mal evolent wrote:
it is not a bus.

it was called a bus by marketing people, in America only, because they didn't know to call it a van.

when the US auto industry copied the VW vehicle, they gave it a proper American name: van

bus was an error made by English as a second language marketing types.


Yeah, but a Microvan just doesn't have the right ring to it. Wink

IMO, VW really got it right when they used the names Kombi and Transporter.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to call it a van and imply it's in the same catagory as old Fords, Chebies, and Darges then go for it.

Mine is a bus just because it's different than those other vehicles.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildthings wrote:
Mal evolent wrote:
it is not a bus.

it was called a bus by marketing people, in America only, because they didn't know to call it a van.

when the US auto industry copied the VW vehicle, they gave it a proper American name: van

bus was an error made by English as a second language marketing types.


Yeah, but a Microvan just doesn't have the right ring to it. Wink

IMO, VW really got it right when they used the names Kombi and Transporter.


Wildthings wrote:
Mal evolent wrote:
it is not a bus.

it was called a bus by marketing people, in America only, because they didn't know to call it a van.

when the US auto industry copied the VW vehicle, they gave it a proper American name: van

bus was an error made by English as a second language marketing types.


Yeah, but a Microvan just doesn't have the right ring to it. Wink

IMO, VW really got it right when they used the names Kombi and Transporter.


But Keintransporter or Kleinbus really rolls off of the tongue?

Van is not a 'proper American name.' It is a proper British name, derived from a cargo transport 'caravan' with a permanently enclosed top. (A 'wagon' was not a 'caravan' as it had a removable top.) An enclosed vehicle for passenger transport was a 'carriage.'

Because of the connotation of 'van' meaning 'an enclosed vehicle for carrying cargo' VWoA described the Transporter as a 'Station Wagon' which was the closest idea that could commonly be understood for 'a vehicle carrying a moderate number of people' that had traction in the Madison Avenue vocabulary. The early descriptions in 1953 VW sales literature of a Micro-Bus or a (does this sound familiar?) Multi-Purpose Vehicle apparently wasn't good enough.

Yes, I'm channeling Nigel.

Ever wonder why so many vehicle names were so dead boring? Blame focus groups. A product designed to appeal to everyone will appeal only sightly to everyone.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When im talking to VW heads, I call mine a Transporter.
When im talking to friends who aren't VW heads, I call it a bus.
When im talking to nitwits, I'll call it a van.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

airkooledchris wrote:
When im talking to VW heads, I call mine a Transporter.
When im talking to friends who aren't VW heads, I call it a bus.
When im talking to nitwits, I'll call it a van.


Yeah, that sounds about right. I substitute 'Bulli' for Transporter, but that's just flavor. You know you're talking to a hard core VW nut when you get down to talking about T2a, T2b, T25, etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TomWesty wrote:
Mal evolent wrote:
it is not a bus.

Mine is! Cool


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have always called ours 'the kombi' 'cos that's what everyone in Australia called their VW (mainly) T2 campers. Once we shipped it back to the UK we still play 'Kombi spotting' whichever vehicle we are in!!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TomWesty wrote:
Mal evolent wrote:
it is not a bus.

Mine is! Cool



My Owner's Manual says Kombi.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am having the same problem on my 69 bay window. I was hoping to find some words of wisdom about this problem.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phantomlimb wrote:
I am having the same problem on my 69 bay window. I was hoping to find some words of wisdom about this problem.


The factory had a trick cut-off valve on the oem Pierburg fuel pump until 1971 when they switched to a stand-alone cut-off valve and hose gizmodry like the Type 3s had.
Replacement pumps from Brazil do not have this cut-off valve.

Use the factory starting procedure for hot hot hot days:
Place accelerator to the floor before you even begin to crank the engine.
Leave it there, do not ever pump the accelerator if it is taking its sweet time to catch.
Once engine catches, release the accelerator before the engine revs up. You really don't want the engine revving up after a gas rich start.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: Mysterious dealings Reply with quote

Wasted youth/adulthood wrote:

Has this problem always been there for you? If not, what condition changed that might have brought on this problem...what maintenance did you recently do?

Is your timing settings based on a modified distributor/carburetor combination, or is it all stock/OEM?

The hard cranking/delayed start after warm almost sounds like vapor lock.

What have you done to fix the two problems?


I guess I really never noticed it (weird, right), but it seems I have always had this problem.
No clue, I think stock it had a dual vacuum dizzy that was switched to a single port vacuum dizzy. Carburetor was switched to a progressive carb (before me, PO).
I wouldn’t call it hard cranking. She cranks like a madman (very good at cranking). It just has a hard time catching (turning over)
I tightened the intake/exhaust, inspected vacuum tube, inspected dizzy vacuum mechanism.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cranking and turning over mean the same thing, the crankshaft being rotated by the starter. Catching or firing would indicate that you are getting ignition in one or more cylinders while the engine is being cranked or turned over.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My standard routine is, on a cold start, I need to pump the gas as the engine cranks, then hold it down for about 3 seconds once the engine fires up. On a hot start, I need to hold the gas pedal down while cranking until the motor fires up, then release it. Seems fine to me for a 40 year old vehicle.....My '74 Beetle is just, Hold down the gas pedal while cranking, then release when it fires up.
It all seems pretty normal to me.
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