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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

I think it is awesome you developed this product. ^^^^

I wish you success!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

jimf909 wrote:
I'm not associated with this in any way other than seeing the post on a Vanagon fb page...

Here's a new tracking product built by a Vanagon owner. 4G, gps tracker, remote kill switch via cell service (if I read it correctly)...


Thank you JIm. I promise I will not be annoying on this thread with a bunch of advertisements, but I have just released Van Tracker, a remote automatic kill switch + tracker + movement detector specifically designed for Vanagon.

The website is www.thevantracker.com and video playlist is below. The 2nd video is a little dense but covers everything VT can do. The 3rd and 4th videos are demos and are probably easier to digest
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8jriUZHZDEcFTrur6iq2xOjVX0ak21vv

The documentation is here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13ItrZjGPKgeY-Gc1PMHvNRRPHOHLlwqB?usp=sharing

And a whole thread on it is here (to avoid hijacking this thread):
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

I expect to receive a tk419 on 23th Nov, paid a bit extra for faster shipping.
Currently I have a tk103 (2G GSM only) installed. It is configured with fuel pump disconnect and starter inhibitor. Both of those features are failsafe in that if the the tk103 is disconnected normal operation is restored. Both are enabled if the van is outside the virtual fence location and the speed exceeds 10mph. They work in conjunction with an inexpensive Crimestopper alarm.
Because our van has been stolen once already, and recovered three weeks later, I am
a bit paranoid and also have a Spot Trace installed. Both are powered by the starting and house batteries via largqqish diodes and a small 4ah LFP battery. Overkill, maybe? I am a belt and suspenders man.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

Taking a look at #54 right now.

https://landairsea.com/collections/real-time


Read the Amazon reviews of it...half seemed to be canned reviews about cheating spouse etc., etc.

https://www.amazon.com/LandAirSea-Waterproof-Magne...amp;sr=8-4
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

After reading the link you provided,,,,aha! Something I might consider using for my old chebbie truck.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

dobryan wrote:
OK.
$115.00 for 2 units (includes shipping).

I think this one will work for my needs. Very Happy


Let us know the shipping time! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

cmayna wrote:
Do these sim cards notify you via text or whatever that your rig is being touched, moved? Or is it an after the fact, means of allowing you to track(locate) your rig?


You'd need to read the specs for the actual unit you have in mind.

Many of them do have a motion sensor alert and almost all have a geofence option.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

Do these sim cards notify you via text or whatever that your rig is being touched, moved? Or is it an after the fact, means of allowing you to track(locate) your rig?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

OK. I've been doing more digging on the new version TK419.

I found this supplier. Looks like a direct link to China.

https://www.eelinktracker.com/sos-button-4g-lte-gps-tracker.html

I have emailed with them about the specs for the unit since there seems to be some info lacking on websites. Here is the reply.


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Based on this I ordered 2 units. One for my '87 westy and the other for the euro bus.

$115.00 for 2 units (includes shipping).

I think this one will work for my needs. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

dgbeatty wrote:
A Amazon link is. is.gd/tME7Cj. This a link to the manufacturer. is.gd/vbiRUY. .


Dan,

Can you post full links for the product you ordered? I cannot get anything from the partial links.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

Abscate wrote:
Legacy Verizon was CDMA ONLY which didnít work in EU

No longer an issue since iPhone 5 on up.


Got it.

I need a tracker that works on GSM, not CDMA only, if I am using it in Europe.

I believe the model I posted above is CDMA only... D'oh!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

Legacy Verizon was CDMA ONLY which didnít work in EU

No longer an issue since iPhone 5 on up.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

dgbeatty wrote:

BTW what frequency bands do you need for your travels? This a short and sweet list. is.gd/6DF9o0 . Note that they are different from the US if I am reading it correctly.


My iphone on Verizon has worked in every country I have been in Europe. I have no idea what the frequency issue is though.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

Dan, Is this the unit?

https://smile.amazon.com/Keelin-TK419-4G-LTE-Real-...amp;sr=8-1
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

A Amazon link is. is.gd/tME7Cj. This a link to the manufacturer. is.gd/vbiRUY. . The seemingly endless variants available is typical for a global product. The variant sold thru Amazon appears to have the most desireable mix of options, we will see in a couple of weeks.
My current thinking is to simply move my sim card to the new device for testing of the GSM and to then a new LTE sim. As I understand it the device with search for LTE and work its way down to 2G as necessary to have the best possible coverage.

BTW what frequency bands do you need for your travels? This a short and sweet list. is.gd/6DF9o0 . Note that they are different from the US if I am reading it correctly.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

dgbeatty wrote:
I have not read the entire topic.
Has it been discussed that different regions of the world use different and incompatible frequency bands. Not many trackers are "global" ie useable everywhere.
The tk419 is "global" is the one you are considering global?
We pay USMobile less than $10 per month for service, there are no other fees for the "tk" series of trackers.
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2G AND 3G are both being discontinued in the US to make room for 5G. In some areas of the US they have already been discontinued. Most all will be by Dec 2021. The same situation in Europe but 2G may outlive 3G in some areas. So 2G and 3G devices are basically door stops by Jan 2022


For travel in Europe I should be fine with standard cellular service. It is pretty ubiquitous everywhere.

And yes on the phase out of 2G/3G. I realized that the unit I speced is 3G which will be a problem.

Hmm. Can you post a link to the latest tk419? I searched Amazon and it did not show up.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

I have not read the entire topic.
Has it been discussed that different regions of the world use different and incompatible frequency bands. Not many trackers are "global" ie useable everywhere.
The tk419 is "global" is the one you are considering global?
We pay USMobile less than $10 per month for service, there are no other fees for the "tk" series of trackers.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

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dobryan wrote:

Are the SIM cards in Europe good in all countries or are they specific to a region?


You can use them throughout Europe. Calls and SMS used to cost lots more when you were in a different country from the one in which the SIM was based [called roaming charges]. These were ridiculously high --like 50p per text vs. 10p per text when using a UK SIM in other European countries and similarly eye-watering charges per minute for phone calls.

However, the EU has recently ruled that providers aren't allowed to charge more for using your SIM outside your home country, so roaming charges are no longer a problem:

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/internet-telecoms/mobile-roaming-costs/index_en.htm

I don't now how likely it is that Brexit will affect this with regards to continuing to be able to use UK SIMs at not extra cost throughout Europe. But, just to be sure, you'd probably be better off buying a SIM from one of the other EU countries, if you end up having to get one.


Thank you very much for that clarification!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

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Are the SIM cards in Europe good in all countries or are they specific to a region?


You can use them throughout Europe. Calls and SMS used to cost lots more when you were in a different country from the one in which the SIM was based [called roaming charges]. These were ridiculously high --like 50p per text vs. 10p per text when using a UK SIM in other European countries and similarly eye-watering charges per minute for phone calls.

However, the EU has recently ruled that providers aren't allowed to charge more for using your SIM outside your home country, so roaming charges are no longer a problem:

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/internet-telecoms/mobile-roaming-costs/index_en.htm

I don't now how likely it is that Brexit will affect this with regards to continuing to be able to use UK SIMs at not extra cost throughout Europe. But, just to be sure, you'd probably be better off buying a SIM from one of the other EU countries, if you end up having to get one.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: GPS locator to find a stolen Vanagon Reply with quote

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...And I'll go with a Google Fi data-only SIM...


Will that still work, while your van is in Europe? We don't have Google Fi over here [as far as I know].

Those Google Fi monthly fees seem quite high to me. When you could just get a PAYG SIM card when you arrive in Europe [most telephone co.s will send you a PAYG SIM for free, or you can pick one up in a supermarket for a few pennies]. Then you could stick Ä5 or Ä10 credit on it, which would likely last you several months, as long as you weren't getting the tracker to ping you constantly.


Hmm. I'll have to see about the monthly cost for an account. That would be a deal breaker most likely.

I think as long as you open your account in the USA it can be used in Europe. Google Fi shares cell towers with the major providers. They do not have there own network of towers.

And if it does not work out then I can do exactly what you recommend with the SIM card.

Are the SIM cards in Europe good in all countries or are they specific to a region?
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