Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
KDF transmission dating.
Forum Index -> Beetle - Split-Window/1938-53 VWs Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
mr magyar
Samba Member


Joined: October 19, 2008
Posts: 65
Location: Bradford, England
mr magyar is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:17 am    Post subject: KDF transmission dating. Reply with quote

Hi,
My '49 Standard has been fitted with a KDF transmission. On one side is a capital letter H in a circle and below that the numbers 21.02. Below that is the VW in a cog logo and below that the number 13.
On the other side is a serial number stamped in vertically which has a star symbol preceding the number 2-043920. From this info can anybody date it please?
Thanks,
Andy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Bruce
Samba Member


Joined: May 16, 2003
Posts: 17462
Location: Left coast, Canada
Bruce is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is somewhere in 1944. It's from a Kubelwagen. Does it have reduction boxes?
_________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote:
..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk.....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
mr magyar
Samba Member


Joined: October 19, 2008
Posts: 65
Location: Bradford, England
mr magyar is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, no it doesn't have reduction boxes. I was wondering if maybe the gearbox was dealer fitted in the fifties after the original one failed or it was replaced during the car's restoration around ten years ago. Would VW have supplied war-time crash boxes for replacing faulty boxes on later civilian dealer supplied cars?
Cheers,
Andy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
RichOakley
Samba Member


Joined: August 30, 2004
Posts: 1115
Location: Midlands, UK
RichOakley is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr magyar wrote:
Hi, no it doesn't have reduction boxes. I was wondering if maybe the gearbox was dealer fitted in the fifties after the original one failed or it was replaced during the car's restoration around ten years ago. Would VW have supplied war-time crash boxes for replacing faulty boxes on later civilian dealer supplied cars?
Cheers,
Andy.


Hi Andy,

It's very unlikely that VW would have fitted the 'box at any point. Most likely that it was fitted at some other point in the car's life or possibly during the restoration as a 'generic' early crash 'box.

See you on Sunday in the '49?

Rich.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
BjornTore
Samba Member


Joined: August 21, 2011
Posts: 97
Location: Norway
BjornTore is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: KDF transmission dating. Reply with quote

mr magyar wrote:
Hi,
My '49 Standard has been fitted with a KDF transmission. On one side is a capital letter H in a circle and below that the numbers 21.02. Below that is the VW in a cog logo and below that the number 13.
On the other side is a serial number stamped in vertically which has a star symbol preceding the number 2-043920. From this info can anybody date it please?
Thanks,
Andy.


Hello.
Reading ut pm here, I also have an std VW 1949, and that one also have thar old type of transmision(gearbox)with several KDF symbols on diff parts on it. I d always thought it was the orignal transmission??I also do remember same nr as on ur box 21.02,I ll check it out soon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Kapt. Q
Samba Member


Joined: May 28, 2011
Posts: 256
Location: UK
Kapt. Q is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
My guess is somewhere in 1944. It's from a Kubelwagen. Does it have reduction boxes?


It's a high Kubel gearbox serial number, I think Bruce is correct, 1944. Also I think (not sure) the 13 makes it late war (casting mold revision #?) The H refers to the company that cast it for VW. VW under Major Hirst recycled loads of wartime parts in the very early postwar period but not by 1949 although the cogged logo was still appearing on some new parts even then. I doubt VW would have used it as a replacement post Hirst as quality of some late wartime parts can be questionable due to shortages of correct metals and skilled labour.
Cheers!


Last edited by Kapt. Q on Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:55 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Blue Baron
VW Aficionado


Joined: June 16, 2006
Posts: 26122
Location: Southeast USA
Blue Baron is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This could possibly explain the mystery.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359470&highlight=factory+reconditioned
_________________
We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.

Heinz Nordhoff
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Bruce
Samba Member


Joined: May 16, 2003
Posts: 17462
Location: Left coast, Canada
Bruce is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that it was swapped by an independent mechanic. The VW factory wasn't the only place where you could get your car repaired.
_________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote:
..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk.....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
BjornTore
Samba Member


Joined: August 21, 2011
Posts: 97
Location: Norway
BjornTore is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: KDF transmission dating. Reply with quote

BjornTore wrote:
mr magyar wrote:
Hi,
My '49 Standard has been fitted with a KDF transmission. On one side is a capital letter H in a circle and below that the numbers 21.02. Below that is the VW in a cog logo and below that the number 13.
On the other side is a serial number stamped in vertically which has a star symbol preceding the number 2-043920. From this info can anybody date it please?
Thanks,
Andy.


Hello.
Reading ut pm here, I also have an std VW 1949, and that one also have thar old type of transmision(gearbox)with several KDF symbols on diff parts on it. I d always thought it was the orignal transmission??I also do remember same nr as on ur box 21.02,I ll check it out soon


I have checked my transmission now, on the right side(in driving dir.) it has this number: 21.013 and the number 14 a bith up to the right. On the left side the number is 21.02 3(? its diff to read this last nr.) The main numbering on the transmission(gearbox) is 117 188.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
N2C_coxiste
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2005
Posts: 13
Location: France, Oy'Beach Center
N2C_coxiste is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,
is it possible to date my gearbox?
cn't find it in known listing....

Number: -0303498- (taped near starter)

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


specific bearing housing without arms for shoks. (as pre49 split)
oil filling vertical....

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Cables brakes.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Thank you!!!
_________________
Lokking for Early Oval Clip with 3 folds RagTop.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger Gallery Classifieds Feedback
N2C_coxiste
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2005
Posts: 13
Location: France, Oy'Beach Center
N2C_coxiste is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other number:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
Lokking for Early Oval Clip with 3 folds RagTop.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger Gallery Classifieds Feedback
kdf38
Samba Member


Joined: March 07, 2002
Posts: 895

kdf38 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say -0303498 - is July '51.
(None of the pics are available to see at the moment.)

Mike


[email protected] wrote:
Hello,
is it possible to date my gearbox?
cn't find it in known listing....

Number: -0303498- (taped near starter)

specific bearing housing without arms for shoks. (as pre49 split)
oil filling vertical....

<<>>

Cables brakes.

Thank you!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Beetle - Split-Window/1938-53 VWs All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2024, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.