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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:48 pm Post subject: Generator Light |
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Ok, quick background...I've had my car apart now for a little over a year and very close to finishing. I reinstalled the rebuilt 36hp engine today, wired everything back up, but the generator light does not come on.
Using a voltmeter I tested the voltage at the screw terminal of the indicator light and read six volts...this is with the key turned on, engine not running (the gen light should be lit). So I thought the bulb might be bad, changed it, but still nothing.
The light does not come on when the engine is running, and obviously shouldn't.
Why is the light not coming on when the key is turned to on? |
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VolkswagenVMan Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2003 Posts: 186 Location: Valparaiso , Indiana
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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I had an issue with my 67 , the bulb holder was not making good contact with the speedo and the light sometimes not come on with the key on and engine not running. Does the oil light come on with the key on engine off? Just making sure the speedo has a good ground. _________________ Master Tech at Team Volkswagen
VW's at work , VW's at home!!!!
1967 EMPI GTV
1966 Bug early
1966 Bug late
2000 New Beetle 2.0l 200,000 miles and going! |
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Da TOW'D Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2005 Posts: 1321 Location: Bella Coma Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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ground out the blue wire removed from the regulator
with the key on generator light should be lit
power goes to the oil pressure and generator lights from the key and grounds out at the oil pressure switch and in the regulator _________________ '57 type 1 Blackberry
'58 SC Ruf
'62 type 3 Notch
'92 Eurovan Willy DD
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Oil light works great...what do mean by ground it out? Unhook it, touch to a ground? Sorry but I hate electrical...why do I have 6 volts at the light and it doesn't turn on?
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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txoval wrote: |
...what do mean by ground it out? Unhook it, touch to a ground? ...why do I have 6 volts at the light and it doesn't turn on?
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The bulb requires a COMPLETE circuit to illuminate. The power is from the key switch, but there is also a switch and a ground inside the voltage regulator. When the generator stops generating power, the switch inside the regulator closes . . . that is what completes the circuit to ground and illuminates the dash bulb.
What Da TOW'D is telling you to do is turn on the key, then go back to the engine, remove the small wire from the regulator, and touch the wire to clean metal. That will/should complete the circuit and illuminate the dash bulb.
If the bulb lights, your regulator is suspect.
If the bulb does NOT light, the wire might be "open" (that is to say, broken). |
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vw57drvr Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2005 Posts: 1705 Location: Rome, Ga
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Also try turning the key on and tapping the regulator. It may be stuck. _________________ 60 Rock Grey Vert |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, did the grounding test and the light came right on...so what's broke?
What on the regulator would get stuck? I see what looks like points? The are open... |
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seefest Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2010 Posts: 20 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Check the gen. housing for ground.Has the gen. housing or gen. strap been painted,just went through this, my light works now. |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I had my generator strap powder coated...the generator does have a ground terminal, but I've never had it connected and the light has worked in the past.
If i do not want to mess with the strap, could I just run a ground wire to the gen? |
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seefest Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2010 Posts: 20 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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You can run the ground wire,but its easy to pull the gen.strap sand it then smear it with die electric grease.On the inside of the gen.strap there are some nubs protruding that ground onto the gen. stand my 58 had them. |
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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txoval wrote: |
. . . could I just run a ground wire to the gen? |
That would be a great way to determine if you should mess with the strap.
As an aside . . . do we need to mention the ground strap that goes from your transaxle to the chassis???? If it is not in good order, it can cause all sorts of fun things for you to troubleshoot!!! |
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seefest Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2010 Posts: 20 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:45 am Post subject: |
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57BLITZ wrote: |
txoval wrote: |
. . . could I just run a ground wire to the gen? |
That would be a great way to determine if you should mess with the strap.
As an aside . . . do we need to mention the ground strap that goes from your transaxle to the chassis???? If it is not in good order, it can cause all sorts of fun things for you to troubleshoot!!! |
He mentions the engine runs,that tells me the starter works,chassis ground strap is OK!! |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Wanted to thank everyone, it was the powder coating of the gen strap, which kept it from grounding... |
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wayne1230cars Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 2685 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Glad to know you got it working. Another example of the importance of having good grounds! _________________ 1960 beetle
1970 beetle convertible |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well...fixed that issue, now the darn thing won't shutoff when the engine is running!
Do I need to re-polarize the generator since its been sitting for over a year? |
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wayne1230cars Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 2685 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Time to do some trouble shooting tests on the generator both with the voltage regular connected and then disconnected. There are lots of threads that detail the process. You can try repolarizing as well. It's easy. _________________ 1960 beetle
1970 beetle convertible |
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Da TOW'D Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2005 Posts: 1321 Location: Bella Coma Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'd pull the vee belt off ( count the shims so you can put them back on the same)and jump the larger terminal to the smaller terminal on the regulator with a screw driver.
the generator should motor( spin)
5 seconds should do it _________________ '57 type 1 Blackberry
'58 SC Ruf
'62 type 3 Notch
'92 Eurovan Willy DD
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry for the dumb question...do this with the key on or off? |
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wayne1230cars Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 2685 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Key off. This resource may be helpful for the testing procedures.
http://www.vw-resource.com/generator.html _________________ 1960 beetle
1970 beetle convertible |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, removed the belt and touched both poles and the generator turned like a motor...does this mean the generator is good and the regulator is bad?
Any other reason the light may stay on? |
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