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youngnstudly
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| ccihon wrote: |
I put something quite similar, and quite a bit cheaper, in my 69 Ghia. Search "Humvee seat belts" on Ebay or look here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-3-POINT-SEATBELT-KIT-HMM...33858cf88c
These work very well - only thing you may need to add is a right-angle bracket for the retractor - the existing hardware for the OE "lobster claw" belts worked for everything else. Some ebay kits come with a whole lot of extra bits for the humvee you can throw away or use someplace else. CIP and some other belt-specific places sell brackets etc.
There is a long thread over in the Beetle area about the surplus humvee belts. |
I just bought a set of these belts (from the link provided), along with the VW right angle brackets, and I will post pics when I get them mounted. I will be adding a mounting point for the retractor on the rear shelf below each quarter window though, so it won't be exactly like ccihon's setup. I'll be making things up as I go along, so don't expect anything miraculous! 
Andy
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ccihon
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Looking forward to seeing it! I think the retractors on the later models (with OG retractable belts) were mounted as you intend, and that saves cluttering up the already tight floor space back there. Main thing is to provide VERY solid mounting point that will not fail under the stress of an accident.
I think the shelf is pretty solid, or could be beefed up, and is accessible from the back side if need be? |
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KGCoupe
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FWIW, I just remembered that I happened to have these pictures in my gallery showing how the OG seat belt retractors are mounted in my '67 Ghia (a one-year only item).
The retractor is mounted on a pivot joint which allows the belt to fit comfortably across any size lap.
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ccihon
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I was not aware these were available for that year...they appear to be retractable but not "3-point", so is there no shoulder belt?
I think the last couple of model years (73-74?) had a 3 point system with the retractor on the shelf?
I mounted my retractor for the 3-point aftermarket belts on the floor just where the photo of your 67 shows, although the pivot would not work as these require being nearly upright to operate.
If anybody is looking for a set of original lobster claw three point fixed belts (from my 69) I'd offer them for shipping price only. One thing that pushed me over the edge in replacing these with modern belts was I read the old nylon webbing becomes very brittle and much more likely to shred and fail in an accident - plus they always looked a mess. |
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KGCoupe
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| ccihon wrote: |
I was not aware these were available for that year...they appear to be retractable but not "3-point", so is there no shoulder belt?
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Sorry - you are correct in that these are lap belts only.
Having seatbelts made from new material (that isn't faded into some funky olive green color) plus the shoulder belt would be well worth having.
I just thought the pivot mount might be interesting to see. |
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ivwshane
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I got my belts in today, I'm having a hard time visualizing how these brackets would be better in terms of space. My existing bolt is already pretty close to the back seat wall.
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djway3474
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| I could not figure out how the kit I got from cip was supposed to mount so I put them on the same surface that the rear deck pull knob is with the belt exiting straight up. they were off the floor and out of the way and worked great. sorry I don't think I ever took a picture |
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ccihon
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| The Cip bracket I referenced works best on beetles i think, and as my pictures show i used a plain L-bracket on the floor - the Cip one can be used with that stock location, and would push the retracter away from the corner of the floor. It was hard to get the nuts and bolts together in that tight space. There are some photos of installs that are helpful over in the Super/Late Beetle forum. |
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O2COOLED
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I went ahead and ordered the Humbee belt as the old ones in my 69 were starting to sag. Good looking set ... at a great price. Installed them using the CIP brackets and they came out nice and snug and out of the way in the corner.
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DorianL
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| O2COOLED wrote: |
| I went ahead and ordered the Humbee belt as the old ones in my 69 were starting to sag. Good looking set ... at a great price. Installed them using the CIP brackets and they came out nice and snug and out of the way in the corner. |
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O2COOLED
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Here you go
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ivwshane
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Shouldn't they be going the other way? So that the brakets place the reel closer to the door?
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O2COOLED
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| Shouldn't they be going the other way? So that the brakets place the reel closer to the door? |
Then I would have to struggle with the floor bolt, besides my main concern was to have it snug to the rear seat and out of the way. I don't think there's enough room to swing the bracket the other way.
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kohi30
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:11 am Post subject: Seatbelt |
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KGCoupe
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Seatbelt |
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Doh! 
It seems so obvious now.
Good thinking.  |
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O2COOLED
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Seatbelt |
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It seems so obvious now.
Good thinking. |
X2. "Out of the box"
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mlhsquared
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| I think the last couple of model years (73-74?) had a 3 point system with the retractor on the shelf? |
Not really "out of the box" at all. I am not sure of the years, but later model Ghias did, indeed, have the reels mounted "on the shelf" beside the rear seat. In fact, I believe the pic that kohi30 posted above is from Wolfgang Klinkert's '73 Ghia with original belts. I think it was to put the reel in a direct and straight path with the loop above it, which would allow the inertia retractor to function properly.
I have read that If you locate the reel on this shelf in earlier cars (those with the older floor mounting point), that the shelf itself should be re-enforced, perhaps with a piece of plate steel. If anyone has done this, details would be helpful... 
EDIT: I thought that I had been involved in a similar conversation previously. Here is an earlier thread with a lot of good information on this seat belt subject:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...mp;start=0 |
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kohi30
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:43 pm Post subject: Seatbelt |
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| Mlhsquared, thanks for giving proper credit for that pic. I saved it a while back for reference and forgot the original Samba members name. |
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youngnstudly
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Here you go
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My main concern with this setup would be the force of a collision causing the thinner store bought "L" brackets to bend upwards while the reel locks up (leverage). BTW, I like those seats a lot! 
Even something like this would be a great upgrade (IMO) in order to bring the reel in closer to the mounting point on the floor (taken from other link posted here):
Just my 2 cents!
Andy
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