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55 SPLITY
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 Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:26 am Post subject: 58 vert body with a 64 top will it work? |
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Just got a new 58 vert but I have a 64 top.
Will that work or do I have to have a 58 top?
What are the differences?
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vw57drvr
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| Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Just off the top of my head, the main bow and latches are different.
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Nubby
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| Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Take a look at Chucks Convertible Parts. The wood bows and top show 58-60 so it may not work but he would be the one to call. I got all my stuff from him and he was great to deal with. |
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lovethatconvertible
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:37 am Post subject: |
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The 3 main differences I see, would be the Top Catch and Latch, Main Hoop Bow=$$$ and the rear window seal. You could live without the Main Hoop Bow as yours would be a metal one.(saves you $$) You would need to use 58' thru 60' Top Catch and Latches, Don't know if you have a Rear Window, but you would have to get all the bit's for that before you can decide what seals to get for it.
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vw57drvr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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And the rear window for a 64 is larger than a 58. Its going to cost you, but you would be better off getting the correct top in the long run. Especially if you ever have to sell it.
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glutamodo 
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| And the rear window for a 64 is larger than a 58. |
No, it is not. MODEL YEAR 1965 (from August 1964 onward) had a larger back window but, until then it was the same size.
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: |
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If you use the entire folding top assembly from the 64 it will work just fine. The biggest difference betwen the 58 and the 64 are the change in the "main hoop" from wooden to metal after mid year 1960.
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| vw57drvr wrote: |
| And the rear window for a 64 is larger than a 58. |
No, it is not. MODEL YEAR 1965 (from August 1964 onward) had a larger back window but, until then it was the same size.
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Andy are you slipping a little?
This is a Convertible... not a Sedan...
Convertible rear glass is one of those "Things" that didnt follow the norm..
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lovethatconvertible
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:48 am Post subject: |
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[quote="VOLKSWAGNUT"]*
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If you use the entire folding top assembly from the 64 it will work just fine. The biggest difference betwen the 58 and the 64 are the change in the "main hoop" from wooden to metal after mid year 1960.
Convertible rear glass is one of those "Things" that didnt follow the norm..
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The breakdown of years for Beetle Convertible top rear windows from what I remember were:
53-57
58-62
63-74
75-79
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Ken Don't forget about the Top Latch's & Catch's, For sure these are different.
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58' thru 60' on Left |
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| lovethatconvertible wrote: |
Ken Don't forget about the Top Latch's & Catch's, For sure these are different.
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58' thru 60' on Left |
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If you use the entire folding top assembly from the 64 it will work just fine. |
Ok ok.. maybe not the "entire"...  of course latches just bolt on...
Using the 58-60 latches on the 64 top with the 58-60 receivers on the body.. should work...
Never assume right...?
Good photo reference non the less.
We need to add a pair of 65-67' latches and receivers in the mix... for even more confusion... 
I think (not 100% on this) the folding tops from 58-67 are all interchangeable, using the proper latching hardware..
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GüteAndTite
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:39 am Post subject: |
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a 64 top frame will fit the 58 if you use 56-60 top latches and catches, 58-60 header wood, 58-60 rear body wood, and 61-64 wood for remainder of top frame, with 58-62 rear window. most importantly a 58 top cover wont fit the 64 frame, you must use a top cover meant for a 64 frame. why do all this,theres 2 58 top frames on the samba now, have it shipped to you folded in a bicycle box via greyhound bus- cheap shipping. i bought one from florida this way and i live in california, was here in 6 days via greyhound
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^ Yeah... exactly what he said.... 
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Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
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FYI Wolfsburg West lists a Mid 75 year change...for the weatherstrip...
