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pdm777 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:33 pm Post subject: Tires - Blowout - Gowesty load rating is optimistic? |
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I'd like opinions on load rating vs. GoWesty 'recommendations'.
My GoWesty Michelin HydroEdge separated from the wheel
just as I was starting to climb the grapevine into L.A.
The entire tread separated from the sidewall,
and my tire was rolling down the highway without me
Date code 3510 (2010), less than 8K on tires.
Went to Americas Tire, they claim the Michelin rating 94T was 'too low',
they said NONE of the new Michelin Defenders were rated for Westy loads,
and recommended the Goodyear XL (xtra load) as a better choice.
- 215/60 16 Michelin HydroEdge 94T (no longer available)
- 215/60 16 Michelin Defender 95T (replacement for HydroEdge)
- 215/55 16XL Goodyear TripleTread 97H (rated 97 XL+ $80 rebate)
What is the bottom line on safe tire choices?
GoWesty is recommending/selling Mich. Defender tires.
<edit> GW is now selling Goodyears, the lower rated 215/60-16 95T
(NOT the 215/55 extraload version)
Is Goodyear Tripletread in 215/55-16XL be a better choice that the Michelin Defender 215/60-16?
Why is GW recommending tires that Americas Tire will not mount
due to concerns about load ratings ?
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Phishman068 Samba Member
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vanagonjr Samba Member
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9935 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ask the tire place what they have in 215/65/16. Tires in that slightly taller size are higher load rated and some come in XL at 102.
215/65/16 XL 102
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Jon_slider Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 5091 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
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Gauche1968 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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GoWesty's Tire recommedations are the subject of much heated controversy.
Compare GoWesty's philosophy to Bus Depot's. _________________ 1984 Vanagon GL
1984 Vanagon Westy
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pdm777 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Houston, we have a problem.
Google : michelin hydroedge sidewall crack
All four tires had very significant sidewall cracking.
I did not feel safe driving on tires that had compromised sidewalls.
Any body else notice severe sidewall cracking on Michelin HydroEdges??? |
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hiram6 Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2006 Posts: 1880 Location: Beautiful South
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Falken offers a tire in their ZIEX line that has the right specs. It used to be called the 912, and may still be at some tire dealers, but Discount Tire sells it as the Ziex ZE-612.
It is sized at 215/60-16 and is an XL rated tire with a 99 load rating. On my 85 Westy with 16 inch MB wheels it puts the speedometer dead-on accurate at 70MPH.
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/tires/fal...erformance
I'm on my second set. Good tire for on-road. Makes no pretension at being an off-road tire. _________________ 1985 Westy, 1.9L automatic (Daisy)
1996 Mazda Miata
1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited
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whafalia Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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At least one of my gw hydroedges showed significant sidewall cracking at 20k, replaced with nokians at about 30k (est., I'm not great at tracking these things), and they are so much better! Felt like I'd gotten power steering. Astoundingly better. I wasn't buying the rolling donuts of death stories on the fat thread on this but will certainly only get higher load rated tires from now on. I will note that the cracking was most noticeable on the tire that gets the most sun where it is usually parked. _________________ 84 westie 2.2 w/ digijet, AT |
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ThankYouJerry Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Plus one!!! Just bought a set of 4 Nokian WRG2 215/65/15 from Van Cafe. _________________ 1990 Multivan - "Ohana"
1.8T, Auto w/3.27 R&P + Peloquin TBD |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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not to jump on the slightly Off topic Thou shall change ships (tires) bandwagon
but I run 205/70/15 Nokian WR G2s and love the dry and wet road grip and handling.
close friend who travels with us on our long journeys runs the Nokian EnTyre in a 205/70/15 and has nothing but stellar opinion of them..
I bought a set of Nokian Hakkapelitta 5's in a 205/65/15 for our upcoming winter trip NY to FL.. have to be prepared for deep slush/snow passing PA & NY in Jan... will report back once those are mounted.
and I much prefer a 99 +up weight rating tire.. in the 100's is better of course. _________________
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pedrokrusher Samba Member
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:44 am Post subject: |
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What kind of tire pressures were you running? Were your rims the correct width for your tires? |
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pdm777 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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was running 36psi in all four,
no load - driver / otherwise empty
Standard 16 inch GoWesty wheels.
After blowout, pumped in 44psi
on remaining three tires to get home.
Severe deep cracking apparently
weakened the sidewall cords. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Did you loose a front tire or a rear tire? With those tires you could have and probably should have been running a full 44psi in the back and most of that in the front. P-metric tires are designed to run at higher pressures without getting wear in the center of the thread. The extra pressure will make for a stiffer ride though. |
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tschroeder0 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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If you search about this on the web you get a lot of hits regarding these tires and sidewall breakdown, seems like more of a quality control issue than an actual load rating problem? |
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Corwyn Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Now I'm nervous. I have a set of Yokohama Geolanders (205/70/15) that I was itching to put on for the winter. They're load rated 96S and now I'm not sure . . . _________________ '90 White Westy ("The Longship")
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tschroeder0 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I have been running the geo's for about 8k, no issues at all. |
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pedrokrusher Samba Member
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Corwyn wrote: |
Now I'm nervous. I have a set of Yokohama Geolanders (205/70/15) that I was itching to put on for the winter. They're load rated 96S and now I'm not sure . . . |
I put a lot of miles on both Bay Window buses and Vanagons running 215/70r14's which have a 96 load range. Even after load reduction you are within 10 lbs of the rear axle rating for a standard Vanagon, so I don't worry much about them. I do keep the cold inflation pressure for the rear up to 44 PSI when I am carrying much of any load. |
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