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lintmann Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2010 Posts: 61 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:07 pm Post subject: 59 Single Cab Treasure Chest latch/lock. |
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I know this is a noob question but I just picked up my first Single Cab last week and the latch for the treasure chest door is missing.
Is this latch only for the treasure chest or is it the same as the engine lid/rear hatch? I've searched the classified but didn't see any so either they are like hen's teeth or it's common knowledge that they are all the same and are advertising them as a "deck lid latch". |
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Rusted Relics Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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These pieces are getting harder to find.
Gabe the VW key guy has had them before and may have in his "take around" stash.
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lintmann Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2010 Posts: 61 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, I'll give him a try and keep an eye out for one.
At least now I know for sure that the treasure chest latch is unique to it and not the same as the other latches.
These wouldn't happen to be available in repop would they? If so, are they any good? |
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RHD Notch Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2007 Posts: 1412 Location: Joshua Tree, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Here is one in the classifieds...from the description and photos it has an issue though (maybe fixable?). I took mine apart cleaned it up, got it actuating correctly and spot welded the cover plate back to the posts. Gabriel (gabvwkey) re-keyed it to match my ignition and doors on my single and tightened up the lock barrel as it had some play in it when turning the key...all good now.
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lintmann Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2010 Posts: 61 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I saw that one but wasn't sure about what he means about "The latch isn't in sync with the opener". Also I'll need a key and the stainless cap but maybe that's too much to ask for.
Were all the treasure chests lockable or did some just use a church key? |
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Riff Raff Shivering Sambian
Joined: October 25, 2004 Posts: 3096 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:44 am Post subject: |
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As far as keys and re keying go, ABOE lockworks on centre street north is an old school local locksmith.
I have had them do all my VW lock work.
Competent guys and much cheaper than what it will cost online.
No need to outsource to Texas.
The treasure chests are lockable with the key, and openable with the church key, so they use both. _________________ The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge
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volksaddict Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Gabe does good vw key work, prices are good and shipping is cheap on small stuff.
And the chrome bezel is available from ww, repro. |
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lintmann Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2010 Posts: 61 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I contacted the owner about this one
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1550759
He says "the latch feels free, and when you turn the unit with a church key, the opener doesn't move? I think it can be fixed. I had it on my 64, and it closed the treasure chest, but didn't open right."
Does this sound repairable and should this 64 latch fit my 59?
Are these lock/latch assemblies all the same or are some year specific?
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nice dad Samba Member
Joined: July 25, 2013 Posts: 317 Location: Honolulu, HI
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Mine is missing on my 67 so good question about year specific, I would like to know as well.
Thanks _________________ 1967 Single Cab |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I would be concerned something is broken on the inside but it maybe able to be fixed.
Myself I would probably wait for a working one, unless I wanted something to play around with or a repair challenge.
They are the same from 52-66 but 64-66 would be a different key code (T, double sided) so those would have a different lock cylinder. 52-53 are a different key style than 54-63..
67s are totally different.
52-66 style
This is actually 64-66 since it has a T code key
67-68 style
Just a key hole, like this:
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lintmann Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2010 Posts: 61 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Everett, I'm learning!
You wouldn't happen to have the part number for the 54-63 latch assy would you? |
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lintmann Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Okay thanks. I'm not in a rush and I want to do this right so I'll take my time and find the proper one.
I assume that one key should operate the ignition and all the locks including the treasure chest, right? |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Original VW dealer parts manuals are great resource for part numbers, year used and descriptions:
http://www.oacdp.org/aboutdoc.html
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:25 am Post subject: |
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lintmann wrote: |
Okay thanks. I'm not in a rush and I want to do this right so I'll take my time and find the proper one.
I assume that one key should operate the ignition and all the locks including the treasure chest, right? |
On a '59 - Yes.
But you may have to settle for more than 1 key since your treasure chest lock is missing. I don't know if that can be rekeyed without drilling out the rivets and taking it apart? I don't have one here to look at or personal experience.
I did find this thread:
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dlicious Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2006 Posts: 245 Location: Spring(pronounced Sprang), TX
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:02 am Post subject: |
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They can be rekeyed. 64-66 have a small hole in the side in line with the lock cylinder. The early version needs to have this hole drilled. This is the access hole for the tiny set screw. Undo the screw and the cylinder will pull out. I'm 90% sure you can swap the lock cylinders between the T code cylinders and the earlier ones. I have not tried it, but the assemblies appear to be identical. I'll post picks of mine when I can. _________________ '63 Caravelle Camper
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dlicious Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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More info:
The "A" Suffix is indeed 64-66 and is "T" code for the key
You can swap an earlier cylinder into a 64-66, but not the other way around. The cylinder is a different shape at the base because of the different key profile. I will post pics as soon as my Photobucket acct is unlocked....to many failed attempts (story of my life) _________________ '63 Caravelle Camper
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dlicious Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Pics:
Left side is "T" code Right is "D"
This is the hole that needs to be drilled.
The key code is stamped on the housing. I had to use a brass brush on a drill to find it.
My awesome "Church Key"
I hope this helps with research. I have used this site for info like this and I am glad to be able to contribute where I can. _________________ '63 Caravelle Camper
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lintmann Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2010 Posts: 61 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, that helps me more too.
I'll have to agree that the "A" suffix version is from 64-66. The parts book( thanks Eric&Barb for that link) shows it as being applicable for all years up to about the end of the 66 model year. For prior years it will fit and function as a service replacement part even though technically not correct. I'll bet that original latches prior to 64 don't have the "A" suffix so I'll look for one of those.
Now...can you physically insert the earlier key into the later "T" lock?
The reason I ask is that even if I end up getting a later "T" code latch the odds of me finding an earlier lock to use is probably remote(unless the cylinder is the same as the door locks). If I could make the older key work in the "T" lock even with only one or two tumblers engaging I'd be happy. |
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