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JAR
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 Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:05 am Post subject: Subaru conversion on a squareback |
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Hi guys this is my first time in the forum, I have a 69 square back and I'm thinking of going with a Subaru eng convertion. A couple of reasons why 1 my friend will give me a complete running 96 legazy Subaru and 2nd I've always Ben curious about that conversion. I do have mechanical experience and have worked on other vws.if any one has done it or is in the middle of doing it please let me now the pros and cons of the conversion please.I would definitely be of great help. I'm in the Monterey area and I'm willing to drive to look ta a project for reference if that's possible.
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Mike Fisher
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It will stick up into the passenger compartment and ruin the style/function of owning a station wagon. I'm carrying something back there every time I drive mine on my black rubber mat from ISP West.
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W1K1
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I would like to see if anyone has done a nice Square T3 conversion how to. There are a few fasty and notch's out there, but they have a whole trunk to spread out in.
the height could be taken care of by raising the rear cargo/hatch area and keep it "looking" stock.
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Nate M.
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I would like to see if anyone has done a nice Square T3 conversion how to. There are a few fasty and notch's out there, but they have a whole trunk to spread out in.
the height could be taken care of by raising the rear cargo/hatch area and keep it "looking" stock. |
I too would like to see one done in a Square. I have seen a I-4 turbo diesel conversion in one which basically made the whole rear cargo area useless since it raised it to just below the windows. . .  I think it could be done under the deck lid if you lowered the trans some which is not hard to do. Having that extra room of a Fasty or Notch makes all this kind of stuff a LOT easier.
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krusher
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If you google "subaru type3" you will find all sorts of treads on various website/forums.
I will be in salinas from december on and am working on subaru squareback.
You will need to change the inlet manifold to get the OG hatch to close.
Even with whole subaru car, you will have to buy:
trans adapter and flywheel $500
radiator/fan and piping
build a exhaust system
shorten the oil pan and pick up pipe.
Its far from a bolt in conversion.
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qoopwn
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=421667&highlight=subaru
Keep ion mind all the reservoirs and piping off the intake are for that turbo right there. You have more space without all that on a regular engine I believe. I've been doing my research.
Any thoughts on whether you want a EJ20 or EJ25? I think the EJ25 is a bit bigger (dimension wise) with more HP but the EJ20 is built for more torque and reliability? Correct me if I'm wrong lol |
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vlad01
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i said it before, look at subarugears.com
some pics there.
they make the conversion gearbox, engine mounting cradle with low and high mount position, standard and extension gearbox flanges to accommodate low mount and frame horns.
I say it possible to be under the deck with the low mount position as the standard position has the intake just slightly above the deck.
if you have a rear support bar instead you can make it where you want and get it to fit.
this one has been mounted higher to clear the sump but you can get shorten sumps or make your own to allow lower engine position. its better anyway due to lower COG.
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vlad01
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| Vlad, are you talking about lowering the motor and trans to make it fit under the deck? |
yes, just the engine lowering, the trans will tilt back fine using that suby gearbox ^ not sure if a vw box will allow any tilt? can't see why not but not much point using a vw box with suby engine anyway, gearing is wrong and it will break fairly easy unless work is done to the box. |
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vlad01
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lower and upper mounting provisions
upper position
lower with extension flanges
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notchboy
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| Vlad, are you talking about lowering the motor and trans to make it fit under the deck? |
yes, just the engine lowering, the trans will tilt back fine using that suby gearbox ^ not sure if a vw box will allow any tilt? can't see why not but not much point using a vw box with suby engine anyway, gearing is wrong and it will break fairly easy unless work is done to the box. |
Ah, yes the suby trans would be best from what I hear and 5 speed to boot! If I convert my 77 bus a trans swap may be part of it - not sure yet. But the 091 can take it if needed.
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vlad01
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| you also have choice of 4.11 or 3.9 diff and STI gear sets as well. if you wanted to go craszy or power there are good aftermarket gears sets. PPG of Oz do a straight cut dog set for under 5k. |
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Nate M.
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That oil pan hangs down pretty low. If I were doing one, I would have to modify the oil p/u and make a custom pan with a wider but shorter base like krusher talked about. I don't like that the lowest point after the wheels is the oil pan.  I guaranty that it would get bashed as it is on every speed bump and/or curb as you exited.
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krusher
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| notchboy wrote: |
| Vlad, are you talking about lowering the motor and trans to make it fit under the deck? |
yes, just the engine lowering, the trans will tilt back fine using that suby gearbox ^ not sure if a vw box will allow any tilt? can't see why not but not much point using a vw box with suby engine anyway, gearing is wrong and it will break fairly easy unless work is done to the box. |
Ah, yes the suby trans would be best from what I hear and 5 speed to boot! If I convert my 77 bus a trans swap may be part of it - not sure yet. But the 091 can take it if needed. |
A ready to go subygears trans and lowering plate will run $4600, not a cheap option to get the engine low.
much cheaper fabricate a lower manifold.
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vlad01
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| notchboy wrote: |
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| notchboy wrote: |
| Vlad, are you talking about lowering the motor and trans to make it fit under the deck? |
yes, just the engine lowering, the trans will tilt back fine using that suby gearbox ^ not sure if a vw box will allow any tilt? can't see why not but not much point using a vw box with suby engine anyway, gearing is wrong and it will break fairly easy unless work is done to the box. |
Ah, yes the suby trans would be best from what I hear and 5 speed to boot! If I convert my 77 bus a trans swap may be part of it - not sure yet. But the 091 can take it if needed. |
A ready to go subygears trans and lowering plate will run $4600, not a cheap option to get the engine low.
much cheaper fabricate a lower manifold. |
lol cheap skates.
you have to have a good box regardless so I can't see the point with fudging around. |
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gm4lnch
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Subaru conversion on a squareback |
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Fab my intake lower. Also unless you plan to beat on it an Subaru trans isn't needed. I have a stock type 3 trans and stock (even used) PP and clutch and it holds up just fine, but mine is a cruising car so I am not racing it or pushing it hard. Only the random burnout here and there. I also have the EJ22e so it is the smallest at 140hp.
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OB Customs
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Subaru conversion on a squareback |
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Fab my intake lower. Also unless you plan to beat on it an Subaru trans isn't needed. I have a stock type 3 trans and stock (even used) PP and clutch and it holds up just fine, but mine is a cruising car so I am not racing it or pushing it hard. Only the random burnout here and there. I also have the EJ22e so it is the smallest at 140hp.
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Man I love that you got it under the lid! I'm starting my next project type and want to go with the EJ22 |
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surfbeetle
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Shoptalkforums.com in the conversions perversions section has a lot of subaru info. I made a shortened sump and oil pickup on mine. Also, a non turbo is easier. Mine is an ej20 turbo dohc and was a pain to fit in a bug, a type 3 has the luxury of space. My trans is a built type one trans and I have 175 hp dyno'd at the wheels.
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grethi
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Subaru conversion on a squareback |
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It may be a Notch, but it still fits just fine. I'm seeing more and more of these conversions out there, so I know there's a way.
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| Hey Grethi Could I get you to post a picture of the front of your car? The exterior showing the grill and the trunk showing the radiator. Thanks man! |
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