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diesellibrarian
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 Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:17 pm Post subject: Intro & my '70 Fastback |
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Hey everyone. I'm new to the Samba, and new to the Type 3. I've had several buses, including a '67 splitty (my first car) and several '71 Westies (the best year for buses). Just bought this solid '70 Type 3 automatic as a father-son project. I can't find any rust except some perforations on the walls of the front cargo bay, near where the firewall and inner fender meet. Is that a common spot? Already super grateful for this forum, as I've already learned tons about these great little cars. Looking forward to contributing what I can.
I'm based in southwestern Alberta, Canada. Any other Type 3 people from this area on the forum?
Best -
Robin
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diesellibrarian
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| I do have all the trim, by the way. The car was prepped for paint before it was parked, so the trim is off and the fenders are just kinda hanging there. Apparently has a "new" (i.e. zero mile) 1600, but again, it's been sitting for a few years, so it'll need some attention before I fire it up. Odo shows 86,000 miles. Came with service records since new. |
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W1K1
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Intro & my '70 Fastback |
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| diesellibrarian wrote: |
| I can't find any rust except some perforations on the walls of the front cargo bay, near where the firewall and inner fender meet. Is that a common spot? |
Can you post some pics of the rust you see? It might help us determine IF it's a "common spot".
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Mike Fisher
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Rust there is common on late models. How do the box shaped stiffeners on the outside look. Pull the front fenders off and take some inner/outer pictures so we can 'cut to order' 1-2" oversize replacements pieces. We cruise the WTB ads weekly to see what we can sell. 
Get it running first and drive it in primer while you do the bodywork over a couple years. 
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W1K1
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| Get it running first and drive it in primer while you do the bodywork over a couple years. |
as long as it's an epoxy primer, anything else is a sponge for water.
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diesellibrarian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Is it Fuel injected?
Was it a lethbridge car?
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Yes to both.
I'll post up some pics of the engine bay, interior, and the rusty spots. I hear you on the rebuild - there's no way of knowing what was done and how well it was done. I'll change out the oil, do a tune-up and see what happens. I want to get some paint on it while the fenders and trim are off, but I do want to patch the rust first. |
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Bobnotch
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| Get it running first and drive it in primer while you do the bodywork over a couple years. |
as long as it's an epoxy primer, anything else is a sponge for water. |
Agreed.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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diesellibrarian
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| Are you going to repaint ir red? |
Still sorting that out. I am not a big fan of red paint on cars (fading issues, etc.), and I like the "rat rod" look of flat black, red wheels, etc., but that seems to be a pretty common look these days. Still mulling it over. This is not a restoration project, but I still want it to look good.
I took some shots of the rusty spots. This is the only rust I've found on the car (so far  ). Perforations on the side walls of the cargo bay near the windshield. Here's the passenger side:
and here's the driver's side:
Is this a typical spot for it to rust through like that? I know next to nothing about bodywork, but it doesn't seem like the easiest place to patch.
There's also a spot at the very top of the right front fender where a bit of the flange has been eaten away, but I think it's small enough that I can clean it up and attach the fender without further issues. |
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W1K1
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that Royal Red L30A is a nice color when new
The nice thing about staying the same color is you don't have to completely strip the interior to do the paint inside.
a little inspiration
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diesellibrarian
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that Royal Red L30A is a nice color when new
The nice thing about staying the same color is you don't have to completely strip the interior to do the paint inside.
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Hmmm, yeah. That does look pretty, prettyyyy good. |
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Bobnotch
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| diesellibrarian wrote: |
I took some shots of the rusty spots. This is the only rust I've found on the car (so far ). Perforations on the side walls of the cargo bay near the windshield. Here's the passenger side:
and here's the driver's side:
Is this a typical spot for it to rust through like that? I know next to nothing about bodywork, but it doesn't seem like the easiest place to patch.
There's also a spot at the very top of the right front fender where a bit of the flange has been eaten away, but I think it's small enough that I can clean it up and attach the fender without further issues. |
Yes, those are kind of common rust spots. The fix, is to cut the rust, and fabricate a patch panel (none are commercially available for that spot), and weld them in. You might want to look over the boxed sections (under the front fenders), to see how bad they are. I mention that, as the boxed sections are right behind the rusty sections you showed. They like to rust on the sides, and bottom, as they like to trap dirt and stuff. You might get lucky, and only have to do some smaller parts of it, since the rust on the right side doesn't look too bad. The key will be the left side, behind the brake res, as brake fluid eats paint, exposing the metal, and speeding up rust.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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diesellibrarian
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I mention that, as the boxed sections are right behind the rusty sections you showed. They like to rust on the sides, and bottom, as they like to trap dirt and stuff. You might get lucky, and only have to do some smaller parts of it, since the rust on the right side doesn't look too bad. The key will be the left side, behind the brake res, as brake fluid eats paint, exposing the metal, and speeding up rust. |
Yup, good call. This is right behind the brake fluid res. A nice little 1" x 2" hole:
Everything else looks really solid, though. Left bumper mounts and lower door hinge areas:
Obviously it was undercoated at some point, but it's starting to peel away now. Anyway, that's all I'll post about rust n crap. Hoping the renters next door will let me sublet a corner of their massive 4-car garage so that I can get into the mechanical. Thanks again for the tips! |
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| The old undercoat is easily removed with a needle scaler. |
Or a propane torch and a scraper.  Just warm it up, and it peels right off.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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I used a heat gun and a scraper to carefully remove mine and found nearly perfect original paint underneath. Just be sure to wear a respirator as the undercoating is toxic when heated.
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diesellibrarian
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| Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tips, everyone. The weather was great this weekend so I made some progress with the car. Started by grinding away the rust in the rear cargo area. I think there's enough metal left that I won't have to do any cutting and welding here:
Also pulled the seats using the technique that I learned on here on the forum (WD-40 on seat rails, push seats forward with feet while sitting in back seat). The pan looks pretty good except for the bit on the rear right. Again, I think there's enough solid steel left that I'll be able to grind the rust away and re-seal it.
What would be the best way to seal the pan? POR-15? Something similar? The sound damping material was rotten and came apart when I pulled it out. Does anyone have a favourite product for sound damping on the floor and/or the rear cargo deck?
Also, pulled the fenders off and they're super clean except for this one little repair job that someone did at some point:
Hope this isn't too boring for y'alls. I know you've seen this kind of stuff a million times, but I'm really excited about this car and super grateful for the helpful folks on the forum. Hopefully the weather holds and I can get it fired up next weekend.
Cheers -
Robin
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Bobnotch
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Looks pretty clean/ For the floors, I'd go with Master Series, unless you plan on pulling the body off, then I'd sandblast and use epoxy to seal it.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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