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kirschwagen
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 Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:21 pm Post subject: Solid jack points for T3 squareback - REAR? |
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Hey all!
Last week I finally changed the rear shocks on my 1968 Squareback.
I tried a new-to-me way to jack and stand. See photos below.
I used to just use the factory tire jack and the stock jack side holes in the lower rocker panels, to raise car one side at a time and then used the iron square tubing just behind the jack holes as my jack stand points.
that seemed logical for years, then I learned better. This is a newbie mistake. Not really that safe and puts much more torsion strain
on the body and could go through a weak floorpan. Yikes!
So, I got a budget floor jack finally. Found front beam T3 jack stand points photos for reference. Cool. Did the front shocks. Pretty easy peasy.
But then, I could not find good rear beam jacked shots. Found one for a Super Beetle, but the rear beams on those are straight across, and rounded. my T3 rear beam seems to be two inclined planes and square tubing. My jack stand ends are V-shaped, so they do not make great contact on the rear beam. Rounded front beam held much better.
Is my new method safe? Or should i move the stands as far out to the beam ends/caps as I can? Should I look into different jack stand inserts?
Am I even on the right beam?
I have lots more work to do on the rear including oil change and transmission oil change and oil pan stud repair. I need to know I'm safe under there...
thanks, guys.
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Mike Fisher
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I jack up at the drain plug with a square of plywood on my floor jack. The jack stands go under the forward spring plate or under the round outer torsion bar.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I use the same place, under the spring plate housing.
I don't like jack stands much. I had them fall over when doing the test push.
Also those adjustable ones with locking teeth freak me out. you just tap the release with car on them and they can drop 
Foot print too small in all jack stands imho.
I found a new method. A wheel laid flat with a brake disk in the middle as the point on which the car sits on. There is no way for it to slip or tip over.
I also leave the jack under taking small amount of load to be extra safe. |
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if not doing wheel maintenance I use ramps and a couple 2x4s to get the car on them
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kirschwagen
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:48 am Post subject: Solid jack stand points * T3 Square - REAR. |
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ahhh. i see. thanks. so more like this, T3 guys?
and for those that might not know yet,
this is where i used to rear jack stand...until I read that it's not so great.
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for the ones with the lever and the "teeth"... If the car is on it, it is not possible to hit the lever and drop the car. Thats just rediculous.
I put the car on stands, and grab the raingutter and attempt to rock the car back and forth before I get under it. I also use a rim and tire underneith, as well as leave some of the load on the jack. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Solid jack stand points * T3 Square - REAR. |
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| kirschwagen wrote: |
ahhh. i see. thanks. so more like this, T3 guys?
and for those that might not know yet,
this is where i used to rear jack stand...until I read that it's not so great.
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I don't like the first photo... is that really structural, or just a cover, I forget? I think it can takes the twist force but is it made to support the weight of the car? That's a lot of leverage at the outboard end. I put it inboard of there, inside the spring plate-- not as stable since they are closer to the center of the car, but those inner tubes are definitely strong enough.
To raise it, I usually now use my floor jack and an adapter that fits into the stock VW jack socket. It was made for a Porsche but fits a VW fine. Mine was made from an actual VW jack part, but functions like this simpler version:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-56-89-floor-jack-hole-Plate-adapter-pad-HIGH-QUALITY-/230894630511 |
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http://www.euromotives.com/i/ebay/f/1153977741.jpg
You can buy these from any VW parts site,a lot less money for the same thing,
I just use my floor jack with a block of wood under the jack point.
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kirschwagen
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| Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: Rear jack stand points for T3 Squareback |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I jack up at the drain plug with a square of plywood on my floor jack. The jack stands go under the forward spring plate or under the round outer torsion bar. |
So, Mr. Fisher (or Mr. Barnes). More like this? Better?
If not, could you post a quick pic or link?
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I think that is fine but I meant under where the actual plate is that has the 4 bolts.
Turn the jack stand 90 degrees so it lines up with that area and slide it under there.
Sometimes the tire is sort of in the way though, depending on the size of your jack stands. I have a set of small and large ones and the large ones are a really tight fit.
This may be clearer:
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| EverettB wrote: |
I looked at some of my own pics and I see I have used that same area
Also the area I just arrowed
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No way I'd do it like in the top photo, see how the Spring Plate "cap" is pushed up into the top of the hole in the torsion tube cap.
I doubt either of these parts are designed to take that load in that load path.
The inner & outer bushing of the spring plate transfer the load to the torsion tube.
Therefor I put my Jack stand below the torsion tube, like it looks like you did in the second photo.
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I used 2 & 3 ton stands for years, then i saw a buddy working on his car with 12 ton stands with his car 2 feet off the floor.
I bought the 6 ton when i changed my motor last year. I also have a 3 ton high lift jack. It makes working much easier under there.
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| EverettB wrote: |
I looked at some of my own pics and I see I have used that same area
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No way I'd do it like in the top photo, see how the Spring Plate "cap" is pushed up into the top of the hole in the torsion tube cap.
I doubt either of these parts are designed to take that load in that load path.
The inner & outer bushing of the spring plate transfer the load to the torsion tube.
Therefor I put my Jack stand below the torsion tube, like it looks like you did in the second photo. |
Oooh, good point on the positioning and I do not know why I did that.
I will not do that again.
I typically stick it under the actual frame.
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sorry to bring this back but I have searched and cant find a good answer.
what is the best method of jacking a T3 Squareback totally off the ground. I am trying to get all 4 wheels off the ground.
so I jacked the front end of the car first and put it on jack stands. went to jack up the rear and noticed there isn't a good spot on the automatic model to jack up the rear.
now if I finally get it up and but jack stands under the rear torsion bars i feel the car is too heavy in the rear and would want to lift the front end.
So really I just want to know the best steps to get all 4 wheels off the ground safely.
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Mike Fisher
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I jack on the center of the engine with my floor jack for placing jack stands under the spring plates in front of the rear tires. I have a 12" square of plywood to protect the engine case when lifting, but it's really not mandatory? It will Not be lifting up in front! 
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I jack on the center of the engine with my floor jack for placing jack stands under the spring plates in front of the rear tires. I have a 12" square of plywood to protect the engine case when lifting, but it's really not mandatory? It will Not be lifting up in front! |
great thanks! just wanted to confirm before doing it.
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