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mojogoat Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2013 Posts: 440 Location: Norcal
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:17 pm Post subject: What increases the value of a bus |
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I'm restoring a 78 Westy CEII to sell to finance the work I'm going to do on a 77 Riviera. I've started from the engine compartment which looks new now and the chassis is almost done. I'm installing an alarm, power door locks, back up sensors, inverter, led lighting, and a nice sound system. Anything desirable that I can install when I have the interior out? _________________ 77 Riviera
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Desertbusman Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: What increases the value of a bus |
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mojogoat wrote: |
I'm installing an alarm, power door locks, back up sensors, inverter, led lighting, and a nice sound system. |
So you did that to lower the value of the bus? _________________ 71 Superbug
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mojogoat Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2013 Posts: 440 Location: Norcal
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't consider a bay window such a rare classic not to be updated, maybe in another 10-20 years it will reach that status. _________________ 77 Riviera
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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mojogoat wrote: |
I don't consider a bay window such a rare classic not to be updated, maybe in another 10-20 years it will reach that status. |
What you are doing may appeal to some but not the majority in my experience. Less is more on any classic. If your intent is to make it what it is not - then by adding that stuff will get you there fast.
Any bus restored to as close to stock with as many correct parts as it was the day it was new will in the end be far more valuable than a bus with later technology added. That stuff can be added by the person that buys it. Working with a clean slate if they choose. Because the other end of that spectrum is the person that will enjoy the bus for what it is.
That said there is a fine line between a tasteful addition and one that ruins the whole thing. This is a relative issue and can be argued all day long.
Ive found that period correct and or factory options seem to win over any crowd. Cant complain when it was possible to have that back in 1978
Tread lightly as a "valuable addition" is fought with argument and opinion. In the end you will know if your choices sell or not. _________________
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Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, you have to consider the target market carefully and where thier bank accounts are at, not everyone shares your personal tastes in "modifications" or "upgrades" so unless you cater to a specific market you'll be wasting bucks and time and even then you won't please all the people all the time, most buyers prefer tp personalize to thier taste anyways if that's the way they roll, if they have to undo your personal idea of upgrades it detracts from the selling price or potential offer. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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germansupplyscott Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2004 Posts: 7094 Location: toronto
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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value = original anything and everything. some updates can add value but most don't increase resale at all. paint does not increase resale unless it's top level work. original paint almost always worth more. professionally rebuilt original engine (with receipts) increases value. properly done mechanical repairs are good for resale - new OE quality brake components, driveline service (CV's, boots), suspension components. clean undercarriage. original interior materials and trim in good condition.
electronics, aftermarket anything, features not originally equipped (the power door locks, back up sensors, LED lights) these will only cost you money for no benefit to resale. much better to put time and effort into basic mechanical service. _________________ SL |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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The more non stock stuff added to a rig, particularly electrical stuff, the more things to go wrong and to possibly catch on fire. The first thing I do when I buy an old rig is to remove all the PO's electrical hacks. If there is something I want I can always but it back with the correct size wiring, fuses, etc. all neatly laid out.
One fact about people is that they like the modifications they make even if the modifications don't work all that well, while the potential buyer sees the same modifications and just thinks, WTF would anyone do this. |
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mojogoat Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2013 Posts: 440 Location: Norcal
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Only upgrades I plan so far that will not look stock will be the seat belts and backup sensors, everything else will be hidden or incorporated into existing fixtures. I'm still deciding on removing the solar panel/system or leaving it installed. _________________ 77 Riviera
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Desertbusman Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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If someone desires to have electrically aimed outside rear view mirrors they are better off getting a new car that was built with them and all the other related bling and trinkets. A modded classic quits being a classic at some point.
But with the new trend in popularity of Bays being centered around appearance attraction only versus the entire vehicle we may be getting closer to the final solution. A fibreglass replica shell to glue over some current model new car body. _________________ 71 Superbug
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GeorgeO. Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:02 am Post subject: |
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While not the most stunning Bay in the neighborhood, I do get looks, I do get offers (Low ball offers at that), and it does bring me closer to people who love VW buses and VWs in general. It may not be worth much to collectors, but it's precious to me.
1973 Westfalia with Eurostyle power train.
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:12 am Post subject: |
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mojogoat wrote: |
Only upgrades I plan so far that will not look stock will be the seat belts and backup sensors, everything else will be hidden or incorporated into existing fixtures. I'm still deciding on removing the solar panel/system or leaving it installed. |
It almost sounds like you wish a blessing to sleep at night? A mod is a mod weather its seen or not. If its not supposed to be there then it will, WILL detract from the value in which you inquired.
Please dont kid yourself and or waist the time of others if all you seek is a blessing for which you have plans for anyways.
You asked for opinion and you've received it. _________________
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Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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Mal evolent Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:18 am Post subject: |
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original condition X rarity increases the value of a bus
an original Westy is a prime example of the most common model
a hacked ambulance or Kemperink is an abomination.
thou shall not drill. thou shall not weld. thou shall not twist bare wires together and wrap vinyl tape around the abortion you have made. _________________ 73 Beetle Baja, Ghia front brakes, Type 3 rear brakes, 2220 ( 94 X 80 ), Weber Progressive, Bosch SVDA, '97 Mustang seats
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mojogoat Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:29 am Post subject: |
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I guess I'm not a purest, but this bus will be safer and a little more versatile than stock when finished. Now where to put the rear spoiler? _________________ 77 Riviera
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my59 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Mods/no mods aside-
If you make additions to the electrical system, document the wiring diagram and add it in sketch form following the basic VW diagram. Noet the wire colors used and all connections.
Nothing worse than PO hacks where trying to figure out wiring takes hours of wasted effort.
Personally I lean to KISS which the bus is to begin with. More added items just mean more items that will break at some point, and as manufactures change their gear quite rapidly, means whole sale replacement of what ever it was that broke.
Only VW addition I'd make is a locking engine latch _________________ my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
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poptop tom Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Sound deadening material is a nice thing to do when the interior is out. Running any extra wires to key locations for future use.
A solid dual battery setup.
Third brake light is more important and desirable than backup sensors imho. _________________ '76 Deluxe Campmobile |
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mojogoat Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:38 am Post subject: |
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I ran a separate bundle of wires in a conduit connected to terminal blocks on each end for the non stock stuff so its separated form the original wiring. I can't stand loose or exposed wires. Pex works great for conduit. _________________ 77 Riviera
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ned Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:33 am Post subject: |
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" Ask enough people the same question and you will eventually get the answer you want". |
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mojogoat Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Kinda like conservative or progressive ideologies, fanatics in both, with regard to vehicles, I'll be a libertarian. _________________ 77 Riviera
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:00 am Post subject: |
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ned wrote: |
" Ask enough people the same question and you will eventually get the answer you want". |
I love that quote. Ned gets it.
Mojogoat - in whose eyes do you want to increase the value? Yours? Mine? The average buyer? A 16 year old? In my eyes all the things you have done will cost me money to undo so what you are doing lowers the value. In your eyes it increases the value. Since you are the bus owner do what you want. The market will either agree or disagree with you when you go to sell it.
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