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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Polo rack and pinion Reply with quote

Well after reading and searching high and low, I feel the old Polo rack and pinion units are the way to go for a Type 1 pan under a fiberglass buggy.
Now where does one find one.

Manufacturer VOLKSWAGEN
Number 867 419 065
Description Steering Gear
Cross numbers VOLKSWAGEN 867419065
TRW / KETNER JRM155
LIZARTE 02965700
AUDI 861419063B
AUDI 867419065
AUDI 871019065
GENERAL RICAMBI AU4001
DELCO REMY DSR366L
TRW / KETNER JRM155
FRIESEN QSR147

I have found a couple for sale on Germany EBAY and Germany Amazon but am having issues with language and shipping willingness.

My question has any one found a source in the US that sells these units. I have found a dozen cross numbers but searches never yields a US retailer.
Or a cross number that does work at a US parts house.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would try PMing some of the Euro posters on this site and see if they would be willing to help out...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have designed bracket for polo rack and made few brackets, i have also bought new racks from ebay:




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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex - Does your rack and pinion mount work for a stock pan based stock width beam, Type I (beetle) ball joint front end that has avis adjustors welded in the center of the top and bottom beam? I always wanted to fit a rack and pinion to my street driven 1968 Beetle. If so, do you have a price for your bracket? Thanks!

Also - what modeling software do you use? - Just curious.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it fits to only balljoint beam cars with stock width frontaxle.

Tierods are equal length and i have used german uniball joints as innerjoints.

Usually modified Polo 6N steering joint or 1303 joint works well, you have to shorten the stock steering shaft.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Alex. I sent you a Pm about this. I didn't want to get this thread off topic.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex
like your bracket. and if I can find a steering gear I will look for more details (dimensions etc.)
But As I have seen the units on EBAY.EU absolutely none of the sellers will ship to the USA.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Polo rack and pinion Reply with quote

spicetraders wrote:
Well after reading and searching high and low, I feel the old Polo rack and pinion units are the way to go for a Type 1 pan under a fiberglass buggy.
Now where does one find one.

Manufacturer VOLKSWAGEN
Number 867 419 065
Description Steering Gear
Cross numbers VOLKSWAGEN 867419065
TRW / KETNER JRM155
LIZARTE 02965700
AUDI 861419063B
AUDI 867419065
AUDI 871019065
GENERAL RICAMBI AU4001
DELCO REMY DSR366L
TRW / KETNER JRM155
FRIESEN QSR147

I have found a couple for sale on Germany EBAY and Germany Amazon but am having issues with language and shipping willingness.

My question has any one found a source in the US that sells these units. I have found a dozen cross numbers but searches never yields a US retailer.
Or a cross number that does work at a US parts house.

What year Polo is the rack from?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polo rack is from 86 / 86c body model Polo, basically all years up to 1992, including G40.

I can get the correct new rack from germany, the rack bracket itself is tigwelded from lasercut parts by my friend and it has rivetnuts.

I can also provide these other lasercut parts:

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,16738.0.html

PM me if you want to know more. I did not link any pictures to here about parts, since thesamba rules doesnt allow.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Alex77- wrote:
Yes, it fits to only balljoint beam cars with stock width frontaxle.


Can it be modified to fit a king/linkpin 5cm narrowed beam?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is link pin car, stock width axle, rack has been moved 50mm to right, so it doesnt hit to shock tower - this uses VW Polo 6N doublejointed shaft:

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This is from latemodel beetle, with -96 mexican body and stock width beam, it uses stock rubber coupler:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex- Any modifications to the gas tank to make it all work? Al
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should not needed any mofications to the tank or its position, at least on most cars, and it doesnt need a steering shock, only supercharged polo g40 has steering shock.

Allthough its easy to rise tank littlebit.


This same -59 has steering shock takes more room, but it fits with tank:





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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is picture without body, car is linkpin -59 with standard width front axle and uses Polo 6N double jointed steering shaft:





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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not use a steering servo like the off road racers use? Take up a lot less room for sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, this gives good steering response and is legal probably everywhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is some other lasercut parts


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex77 have you all dimensions of the bracket?

I'm going to built it in stainless steel and welded with TIG.

I can't PM you because i'm new user Confused

thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool thread, but why is it in Engines/Transmissions? Maybe it could be moved or copied where it could be found more easily.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi I have bought a polo rack for the conversion but the support of steering arms are oriented wrong, on polo this is the normality but for installation on bug how i modify it?
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