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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Don't mention dyno testing |
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geo_tonz Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2012 Posts: 1472 Location: Courtenay, BC, CANADA
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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furrylittleotter,
As this thread was obviously started with the intent of discussing the Vanistan motor maybe you should direct those questions over here?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...highlight=
You've obviously been there as you are quoting it so why not post there? _________________ ---------------------------------------------------
"Ron Burgundy": 1991 Vanagon Multivan (Weekender) 2.1L Auto - Driver/Camper |
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PDXWesty Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6245 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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tencentlife wrote: |
vanagonjr wrote: |
Any dyno run figures? |
Nope, not gonna play the numbers game. I'm selling on quality. |
From prior Posts. _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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kryptkat Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2008 Posts: 236
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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I have a stock Syncro with a bare bone DJ motor in it and I am really impressed with the power band in that motor. Off the line pick up is good enough to keep up with all the modern vehicles and I can do 75mph all day on the freeway. I would like to compare it to the Vanistan motor so if anyone is around the Orange County California area and would like to do a test drive comparison and talk Vanagon, please contact me. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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kryptkat wrote: |
I have a stock Syncro with a bare bone DJ motor in it and I am really impressed with the power band in that motor. Off the line pick up is good enough to keep up with all the modern vehicles and I can do 75mph all day on the freeway. I would like to compare it to the Vanistan motor so if anyone is around the Orange County California area and would like to do a test drive comparison and talk Vanagon, please contact me. |
I have a DJ as well.
I would estimate both it and the Vanistan 2.2 to be in the 110-112HP range.
They do drive similarly.
No, I have no dynoed either of them, nor do I feel the need. |
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SCP_Austin Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2009 Posts: 366 Location: Tacoma, WA
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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The creator of the Vanistan motors hasn't Dyno tested, but that isn't to say a fellow Sambanista has not. I am not a numbers on motors--as I am interested in the motor due to the quality of the work. However, I would be very interested in seeing Vanistan 2.2 compared to a DJ motor. Whether that is a side by side drag race or Dyno figures...is TBD.
The beauty of America is choice. Anyone who has a motor can choose to Dyno it if they want. They can choose to share it if they want.
I freaking love America. |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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ute wrote: |
I freaking love America. |
Like Chile, or Argentina or Nicaragua or Canada, or what?
I'm pretty sure Chris posted a dyno sheet at one point in time. From what I could recall, it compared fairly decently lots of other options, especially the torque curve. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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furrylittleotter Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2008 Posts: 1506 Location: West Seattle
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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kryptkat wrote: |
I have a stock Syncro I would like to compare it to the Vanistan motor so if anyone is around the Orange County California area and would like to do a test drive comparison and talk Vanagon, please contact me. |
I can bring my Frankenmotor powered Dustbucket to this party.
I got a pint that says the plant with the stock exhaust takes second after me.
Neil2 |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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IIRC, the Vanistan 2.2 has been dynoed and the sheet is available in another thread.
The WBXhaust has not be dynoed to show the diffference between stock and "tuned".
Chris's work and products speak for themselves.
If you feel the need to dyno them...go for it. |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9800 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Vanistan 2.2 engines: Lets hear some more reviews! |
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Before this descends into playground braggadocio perhaps someone can yet answer the OP's question:
Red Beard wrote: |
There are 40-50 of these things out there... I'm guessing most of the owners are samba members... So why don't y'all make some noise and convince the rest of us to call the dude and hand over our $$$! |
I took it to mean he is looking for comments from someone who owns and drives a Vanagon with a Vanistan engine.
I will add that I do not doubt for a moment that Chris builds a quality engine and for a cost that is quite reasonable (when you look at what other non-VW 4-cylinder engine rebuilds can run). But my opinion should count for nothing as it is based on impressions rather than experience. |
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Rocky Mountain Westy Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Fort Collins Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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furrylittleotter wrote: |
That extra noise others are talking about is more than likely caused by gasses expanding (and thereby slowing) in those massive, long sweeping, relatively thin (as compared to stock cast sections) primary and secondary tubes, which I have little doubt diminishes torque as the following gasses hit the previously mentioned expanded bursts.
Don't get me wrong I think it is a beautiful header, and actually not poorly engineered, for a turbo engine. However, I stand by my reasoning that VW used small primaries on it's normally aspirated vanagon engines for a reason, even going so far as to re-engineer the entire exhaust and continue to use relatively small primaries with the advent of the 2.1l.
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Our tubing is the same size as the factory tubing. 1 1/2 .120 tubing. _________________ Rocky Mountain Westy Inc.
www.rockymountainwesty.com
970-310-3441
[email protected]
The Splitzgauer build (when I have time to work on it and update the thread)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=497133 |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2013 Posts: 114 Location: INDEPENDENCE, MO 64057
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: 2.2 VS mK-3 |
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I am waiting for the parts of my 1.9 L gas wbx. I saw something from k engineering about doing adapters for using a jetta MK3 into a vanagon with automatic. I have seen a few of those, I am concerned about the gear ratios - with an automatic that should not be a problem. As I found out, the head studs are the weak part of the 1.9? I have a 83 vanagon with a 1.9 diesel in it, too cold to use with all the snow on the ground... From what I have heard, there isn't that much difference between the 1.9 wbx and the 2.2. That is .3 Liter in displacement. the mk-3 has 1.8 Liter and 2.0 liter, I don't know what the curve is like, from what I have heard, the mk-3 has a much better power curve. That engine is a little easier to work on than the wbx and is more reliable than the wbx. In California one might be hard pressed to meet emissions, We don't have that much of a problem in the mid-west. |
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jberger Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 2476
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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I posted an experience with a build similar to the vanistan 2.2 in my Homebrew 2.4 thread. I'm sure Chris's build is more refined with cam choice etc... but, without a doubt, the best bang for buck engine out there. That said, I will be replacing my 2178 with 2.4 version 2 as soon as I get it built. My goal would be to have the torque of a high comp 2.4 with the free revving of the 2178. This combo is QUITE a bit more expensive to build than a 2.2 though (Therefor, bang\buck) |
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jberger Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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I can also say that my fauxistan build is capable of quite nice MPG numbers and also some not so nice if I keep my foot in it.
On a recent 225 Mile round trip to Hollister Hills OHV with 5 bikes, trailer, hitch carrier, thule box, gear for camping and riding, 6 people and 100lb dog I averaged 18.7 mpg holding a steady 3400 rpm, 205/70/15 tires.
I also have gotten as low as 15mpg while lightly loaded just blasting around locally. |
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Fauxistan |
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carterzest Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2008 Posts: 3842 Location: Eagle, ID/Sun Valley, ID
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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PDXWesty wrote: |
tencentlife wrote: |
vanagonjr wrote: |
Any dyno run figures? |
Nope, not gonna play the numbers game. I'm selling on quality. |
From prior Posts. |
Yeah, besides that confidentiality and non-disclosure/no-video agreement that Mr.Corkins had his lawyer show up and have us sign if one has done their research there is no other option save a Rocky Jennings hand built motor. We used to also have Boston Bob, RIP.
The way I look at it is through my Split Bus lenses…20 years from now, I feel that a van with a true hand built motor will be worth much more than one which has been fitted with a Ford or Subaru Motor. I make no arguments against those who go that way and they are very impressive to say the least, but, they are not for me. Chris hand builds every one of these motors and they are works of art. The fact that Mike at RMW is getting one should also give you an idea of the quality
At the shop where #51 is being installed, #15-20 is being taken out of a Syncro Tintop and the owner is having it put in a 2WD Westy that more suits his needs right now. Its ironic. People hang on to these motors. This guy bought the SyncroTintop with the Vanistan motor already in it(the Purple one)and he is transferring it to his next ride…...
Seriously, keep an eye on my Mr.Hanky thread in my sigline. #51 should be installed in a couple weeks as we only have one day a week to work on it at present. It will be making a trip to Syncro Solstice in May.
VANISTAN #51
_________________ Happiness=Portland, Oregon in the rearview mirror! |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Have to ask. Are Chris and Rocky in cahoots? _________________ Peace, Regis |
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carterzest Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2008 Posts: 3842 Location: Eagle, ID/Sun Valley, ID
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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regis101 wrote: |
Have to ask. Are Chris and Rocky in cahoots? |
They are friends and both speak highly of one another, that much I know. Cahoots though….. _________________ Happiness=Portland, Oregon in the rearview mirror! |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Save the drama.
I'm only asking since they both seem to have the passion.
If one is busied up, it'd be nice to know there is a second chance _________________ Peace, Regis |
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geo_tonz Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2012 Posts: 1472 Location: Courtenay, BC, CANADA
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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regis101 wrote: |
Have to ask. Are Chris and Rocky in cahoots? |
From the Vanistan website:
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The WBXaustSS is a collaboration between Vanistan and Rocky Mountain Westy in Colorado. |
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"Ron Burgundy": 1991 Vanagon Multivan (Weekender) 2.1L Auto - Driver/Camper |
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