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Volktales Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2013 Posts: 545 Location: Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Glad those seats worked out in the end. Going to look great! _________________ 1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Thanks for the props.
And the feedback, really..
I went ahead and assembled the arms anyway..
After now getting my own shop press,
it's fun finding all kinds of new uses for it.
The old hammer/driver thing seems positively caveman now!
And,
Cummon.. Try digging the hammertone thing..
Regular old gloss black woulda looked really awful,
Because i didn't get my scars from surgery smoothed out well enough for gloss black.
You'll have to trust me that this looks better,
because it hides the carnage.
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ibjack Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2002 Posts: 2105 Location: Imperial Beach CA
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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I have no problems with the hammertone, my comment was about someone using it to paint their car with it. It was either this or the worse case of orange peel I've ever seen. _________________ '68 Lotus White T34 automatic sunroof
'64 Manila Yellow T34
'65 Sea Blue Square Panel
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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ibjack wrote: |
I have no problems with the hammertone, my comment was about someone using it to paint their car with it. It was either this or the worse case of orange peel I've ever seen. |
Yeah I know.. That's why the smilies..
Things get taken wrong when written all the time.
Sitting here looking at these heater boxes...
Time to weld them all back together,
With some of that Thermal Zero insulation in there,
At least along the bottom of the boxes.
Still totally on the fence about how to go about protecting the insides of the boxes from rust,
Without fuming myself out of the car when the heat is on...
Was thinking of having everything ceramic coated,
Then grinding to bare metal where the spot-welds go,
Then touching it up/doing it over after assembly..
But, two things with that
(other than the obvious cost/time factor).
1. Won't that stuff burn off and stink?
2. Ceramic insulates heat transfer!
Maybe the solution is to coat the inside of the shells only,
Then assemble everything,
Then have it all coated afterwards..
Had a set of fully assembled heater boxes ceramic coated once,
And they tumbled them in this ceramic media that was these little white BB balls..
They were forever wedged inside there between all of the fins,
And no amount if digging/blowing would ever get them out...
Maybe it's best to just assemble them in bare metal,
And have them done.
The heat will always cook the water out of there anytime the car is run.
Factory heaters don't have any paint or anything inside to protect, right?
Anybody ever do this??
Yes, I'm crazy, but here i am at the finish line with these..
(No pun intended ).
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Chochobeef Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2013 Posts: 811 Location: Ft. Worth, Texas
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Why not just do a high temp paint on the insides of the boxes? I would imagine the 2000 degree stuff would be plenty and the smell would be gone once cured. A coating on the outside after welding, and i'm pretty sure they would last forever.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22407 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Steve, I don't know if you'll get any heat transfer if you coat the pipes in ceramic. To be honest, you might want to look at maybe coating them in nickel or something that won't rust, but has good heat transfer. The tins however I'd ceramic coat to keep the heat inside them.
This really is a good question on what to do. Normal bus heaters have aluminum on the pipes, and are just painted on the ends to keep them from rusting. If you just leave the pipes and attached "heat deflector tins" bare, they'll rust inside your outer tins. But I don't know if there's a good coating to use, that still allows a good heat transfer from the pipes. Maybe if the pipes and attached tins were stainless. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Jason37 Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 1028
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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I know you have a ton of time invested in these, but... why not ditch them in favour of headers?
And add a gas heater for warmth? |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22407 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Jason37 wrote: |
I know you have a ton of time invested in these, but... why not ditch them in favour of headers?
And add a gas heater for warmth? |
I think that would have been "too easy". We can't have that. Not on this job. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Jason37 Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 1028
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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The only reason I suggested it was out of jealousy for his ability to incorporate proper heating!
I’m taking the easy way... once the bay window is out of the garage and work can again commence on the notch. |
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Xevin Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 7623
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Send them up to Oregon and have them plated like your fancy nuts _________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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I built this current motor basically around a set of heater boxes.
When picking a strategy for doing a type 4, you basically pick the header first,
And work your way through to the heads,
Then pick the cam last.
Because I went from 1.8 heads, with 41 x 35 valves,
Then went to 2.0 heads, with 42 x 36 (they work with my linkage),
I'm now going to move from a Web 494 to 163/86b.
A 2056 with 2.0 heads is really going to be choked by this stock heater exhaust,
And the dual-pattern cam will be more needed than ever.
Have really gotten carried away with this motor,
And am indeed going to be leaving a lot of power on the table running these heaters.
TWO balanced type 4 78 stroker cranks are sitting right here,
But it would be foolish to put them one this particular motor.
All it would do is make a torqued-out short-shifting tractor motor.
Now that I have a gas heater project to start (after the car is assembled )
Once the gas heater is in and working,
I'll make up a proper header, or buy a tangerine --> http://www.tangerineracing.com/otherporsche.htm
And build a motor around that,
With a big stoker crank, Nickies, big welded heads, etc.
Basically, doing these heater boxes makes it so I can get this dang thing done some day before I die!! _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Brent Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 1614 Location: San Tan Valley, AZ
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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My experience with ceramic coating.
My Type 3 heater boxes are ceramic coated inside and out.
- They do not stink
- They put out plenty of heat
You can get the Tech Line products online. Same as what a 'pro' uses and you'll probably do a better job yourself for less money.
You probably don't want to soak the fabric you'll be using. So, I'd suggest coat the insides, add the fabric, then clean up the weld areas and plug weld the shrouds. Then coat the outside. That gets you as close as you can to fully coated.
Save the spray paint for an old lawnmower... _________________ 69 Fastback Build
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22407 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Clatter wrote: |
Now that I have a gas heater project to start (after the car is assembled )
Once the gas heater is in and working,
I'll make up a proper header, or buy a tangerine --> http://www.tangerineracing.com/otherporsche.htm
And build a motor around that,
With a big stoker crank, Nickies, big welded heads, etc.
Basically, doing these heater boxes makes it so I can get this dang thing done some day before I die!! |
So that means once it's up and running, you're going to take it apart so you can cut large holes in your clean and painted sheet metal? Oh well, something to keep you busy I guess. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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ataraxia Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 4504 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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I dig the "Harley" sticker on your tool box... |
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Brent Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 1614 Location: San Tan Valley, AZ
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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well....they used to.
Check out Cerakote, possibly a better alternative. _________________ 69 Fastback Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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ataraxia wrote: |
I dig the "Harley" sticker on your tool box... |
Don't that say it all?
That was my Dad's. He got it at Sturgis; after riding there, of course..
Anybody that's ever been to Sturgis knows that a tiny fraction of all the Tough-Guy bikers there actually rode in. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
I think that would have been "too easy". We can't have that. Not on this job. |
Oh, no.. No "Easy" allowed..!
Case in point;
Anybody else would have just gotten themselves an alternator at their FLAPS..
Here' I don't even have mine apart,
And there's vapor blast, cad, and powder coat going on..
I'm thinking I'm one of those guys who is afraid to come to grips with their own mortality,
Or that denies the passing of time,
By creating un-finishable projects that nobody would ever live to see done..
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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There's been a bunch of little things going on,
But,
They are just too small/petty to be worth actually posting about.
(Even for this, the most small/petty build thread on the forum).
For example,
When i took apart the squareback in the beginning of this thread,
it was a double-spring-plate setup,
And the bolts were too long.
been watching the Pick-N-Pull website for a 944.
So,
One showed up in San Jose,
So i drove there and got six bolts, six nuts, and twelve washers.. Took most of the day.
Some even stripped on the way out,
But,
Just dumb luck, there was a single-spring-plate beetle there that i got the bolts from,
and they're the same.
I also forgot how it all goes together TBPH..
So, I'll call it a win.
$2, plus gas.
Here's something worth showing?
I did up some of those rear hard lines using William's tubing stuff.
Decided to go up/over like a beetle,
instead of underneath, like a 944,
Because of the arm chop, this made sense.
I got another clutch cable in, and (hopefully) correctly measured this time,
To be sent out and shortened.
Chasing grit out of heater cable conduits..
Forgot how the flaps and cables go together for the heat vents in the rear kicks;
Got to go see my roller pan at Larry's and take a couple pics.
Assembling rear e-brake stuff.
(How do i only have one of four anti-chatter springs?
And why does Pelican get me for $70 for four?
There they were sitting on the ground at the PNP, too..
Grinding clearance, scraping off powder coat, etc. etc. etc.
Tons of little fiddly details to make all of the controls work and everything to fit at the rear of the car... Will spare you guys the details.
Tons of time, with little to show.
Sure do wish this wasn't just my mock-up mock-up,
Because the whole thing has to come back apart to fit out the door.
Progress is progress, right? _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Critter1 Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2004 Posts: 1575 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Clatter wrote: |
Sure do wish this wasn't just my mock-up mock-up,
Because the whole thing has to come back apart to fit out the door.
Progress is progress, right? |
Screw that! I'd rather cut a bigger door and fix that, than take the pan apart again... _________________ Justin |
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