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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5927 Location: back to living where hell meets the suface
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:08 pm Post subject: 36 hp H beam rods are done |
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All right all you 36hp power guys, I just got word that the 36 hp H Beam rods are done and are now being checked out in quality control. These will be available in either 20mm or 22mm wrist pins. I should have a set of each here in a week or two to check out and test _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5927 Location: back to living where hell meets the suface
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Are those the ones AA performance were working on or are they raw rods that are finished elsewhere? |
Yes they are being made by AA _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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pig-pen Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2012 Posts: 570 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I want, must have. Happy to test for ya |
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vw7266 Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2004 Posts: 3038 Location: the point, ohio
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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so when will they be able to be purchased? |
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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They're here
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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splitpile wrote: |
They're here
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I have not gotten mine yet, should be a couple days. I ordered up a set for the 20mm pin. I have a build in the works right now using a WW grind cam and ceramic coated dome tops. Not having the rods as yet, I was told they weigh a bit more than a stock rod. Do you have a weight in grams? _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5927 Location: back to living where hell meets the suface
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Motorhead wrote: |
splitpile wrote: |
They're here
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I have not gotten mine yet, should be a couple days. I ordered up a set for the 20mm pin. I have a build in the works right now using a WW grind cam and ceramic coated dome tops. Not having the rods as yet, I was told they weigh a bit more than a stock rod. Do you have a weight in grams? |
495 with out bolts 545 with ARP bolts _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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gimmesomeshelter Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2004 Posts: 1466 Location: San Carlos, CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Can you comment what you do to QA these rods?
While they look much stronger than stock, I've always been wary of products make in China.
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Paul _________________ "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5927 Location: back to living where hell meets the suface
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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gimmesomeshelter wrote: |
Can you comment what you do to QA these rods?
While they look much stronger than stock, I've always been wary of products make in China.
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Almost every rod you buy tday is made in china, scat, cb, bugpack etc besides the high dollar ones which are still made in the us, but a lot of the high dollar blanks are made in china then machined here. These rods have been checked on a rod machine for bore and a rod checker for length and twist _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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splitpile wrote: |
495 with out bolts 545 with ARP bolts |
So about 100 grams more depending on the stock rod measured. This rod all in itself is such over kill, let alone adding ARP bolts too.
gimmesomeshelter wrote: |
Can you comment what you do to QA these rods?
While they look much stronger than stock, I've always been wary of products make in China.
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These would be a finished piece ready to install. I've used many other AA rods with no issues, I would expect these to be the same quality. I was surprised AA made a short run, most companies don't. It's been a very long time since any after market rods have been available for a 36hp. _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9147 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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We hung "H" beams in Todd's big 36er 2 years ago. 'bout time you guys caught up
brad |
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5927 Location: back to living where hell meets the suface
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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stock 36 hp rod 427 grams hp 36
My first bonneville WW Okrassa has stock 36 hp rods, shot peened with ARP bolts, made 67 hp
AA H beam 36hp rod 545 grams with bolts (going in a turbo engine) shooting for 150hp
Porsche rods (as in my IDA 36hp) 499 grams 124 hp
H beam chevy rods (as in my supercharged 36 hp) 586 grams hoping for 100+hp if I can get the boost
I just don't want to break a rod, better safe then sorry, even though I sacrafice hp for strength and cranks I use aren't cheap
I don't think Tom Bruch has ever broken a stock rod, I'll have to ask him or matbe he'll pipe in here. _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Never had a broken one, but they do bend. This rod came out of a 25hp to boot. I think the engine was a 46' or 47'. This rod BTW weighs in at 391 grams. I'm not saying a heavier rod is a bad thing, just that it's a lot more beef than a stock rod. Kind of like putting an Olympic weight lifter in a ballet because you're afraid the regular guy might drop the ballerina. The H beam rod will eliminate some minor problems with piston choice. You could use a 36hp journal stock/stroker crank and choose the pin size (20mm or 22mm) on the rod depending on the piston set used. The more off the shelf type of parts there are will make it easier to build a larger than stock 36hp that will run reliably. _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
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my59vw Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 105 Location: Alexander, Arkansas 72002
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:54 am Post subject: |
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What is going to be the price on these? I am interested in getting a set. _________________ Brian Murphy
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:33 am Post subject: |
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you would be surprized how easy how eazy it is to bend/twist a rod. our sunnen rod recon station has a bar(for bending twisting)jigs for checking & aliging them on both plains (twist&bend or tilt,no you dont fix a dead rod with a kink in it,but oh so many rods have a twist to them or off angle/bend/tilt) the first one I did was for a 340/360 mopar and it twisted back oh so easy I thought something was rong(no press just by hand) I then got an old dead junk rod and gave it a try. same thing, these things twist easely.and straighten back easy but need to be done the right way so both twist&tilt is accounted for so the piston dosent cock or go wonkey throught its travel in the stroke as the rod angle changes.
on some rods there is a big bevel where the cap meets the rod,some race engine builders will weld(tig) this up&rework the rods( in the days befor the cheep rods cameabout,I dont know if it's still done much, the big block chevy dimple rod with the 7/16"rod bolt had the bigest bevell some almost .100" wide. china rods are so cheep it isant worth reworking oe rods these days.....except for engines that dont have the china stuff out....yet |
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:18 am Post subject: |
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my59vw wrote: |
What is going to be the price on these? I am interested in getting a set. |
AA currently has them listed on their site for $299 with the 200k bolts with the ARP 2000 bolts costing another $36.
http://aapistons.com/shop/connecting-rods/4340-5-1-chromoly-h-beam-rods-vw-type-36-hp.html
I did the setup on the rods yesterday for the engine I'm building and everything went together very nice. All the rods were dead on weight wise and the pins slipped in for a very nice fit.
I was just going to use fresh stock rods for this build as it is more to see how well ceramic coating works/doesn't work on the piston tops and chambers, but the H beams came available just as I was getting ready for the bottom end assembly. Here's a comparison between stock and the H beams:
I hope to be running it by the months end in my Bonneville car.
_________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
"All limitations are self imposed."
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5927 Location: back to living where hell meets the suface
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Motorhead wrote: |
my59vw wrote: |
What is going to be the price on these? I am interested in getting a set. |
AA currently has them listed on their site for $299 with the 200k bolts with the ARP 2000 bolts costing another $36.
http://aapistons.com/shop/connecting-rods/4340-5-1-chromoly-h-beam-rods-vw-type-36-hp.html
I did the setup on the rods yesterday for the engine I'm building and everything went together very nice. All the rods were dead on weight wise and the pins slipped in for a very nice fit.
I was just going to use fresh stock rods for this build as it is more to see how well ceramic coating works/doesn't work on the piston tops and chambers, but the H beams came available just as I was getting ready for the bottom end assembly. Here's a comparison between stock and the H beams:
I hope to be running it by the months end in my Bonneville car.
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toiga Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Hi, can these be adapted to a 40hp motor? |
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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toiga wrote: |
Hi, can these be adapted to a 40hp motor? |
I'm sure you could if you cut your rod journals down to the size of a 36hp.......that would be kind of a step backwards going smaller from the 40hp rod journal though. _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
36 horsepower parts for sale at http://www.aircooledresearch.com/
Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
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