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pushkick Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2007 Posts: 1366
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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just some thoughts on GW EFI or engine management system. seems to me that that if someone wanted to make a ecu that would work on the waterboxer they could have used the subaru ecu and just reprogramed the system to work for the water boxer. this would have allowed the use of existing sensors etc. i dont know if general motors has an opposed 4 cyclinder engine that was similar. i wonder why GW decided to go with an american engine management system? never reinvent the same wheel when you dont have to just modify it. subaru has all the sensors and other parts that would be needed to control the water boxer engine. seems like less work to change or rewrite programs than using a completely different system. why didnt they partner with someone like mega squirt for their application?
there are several threads where people have used a mega squirt system. i wonder if the persons who have made the effort would share their set up and work with people who wanted to make the switch to mega squirt?
if GW uses a standard GM ecu that has been reprogrammed will you only be able to purchase replacements from GW? will they be around in 5 years? will this be a under funded, and a marketing failure that will leave people with a system that is NLA or supported? i applaud what GW is doing and think it is great for the boxer engine and older van owners. _________________ i see said the blind man to his deaf dog
i am going to quit smoking and drinking and die a healthy man. gotta laugh
there is no deed to the planet earth
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SyncroChrick Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 1010 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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The first batch of the kit sold out in 72 hours. Very impressive. |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2753 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:44 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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How many in the batch? _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
'84 sunroof vanagon
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oceanair Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2013 Posts: 720 Location: Victoria, BC
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Seems more than fair to me. Research, parts, getting it reliable enough to mass produce, small batches due to limited number of vans and the profit that they deserve. More than fair to get rid of the troubles of an old system and all of it's foibles. Not to mention the new harness, OBD2.
I am disappointed that it does not cross over easily to the 1.9, but no surprise there. _________________ 84 Vanagon Pop Top Conversion from Tin Top, 1970 Ghia - all sweet rides! Love em!
Previous: Green 72 Tin Top, White 72 Westy, Blue 64 Beetle, Yellow 71 Squareback, 2014 Jetta TDI Wagon - wish I could have them all back! |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2753 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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"More than fair"... I don't know, it's hard to say since we don't know what their cost of materials are and just how much it cost to get the tuning done to get the CARB. My opinion is that it does not make financial sense to purchase it for a stock Vanagon. For a lot less money you can fully overhaul the digifant system with new harness and sensors and all the main components replaced or rebuilt. The stock system is just fine stock and 2.2-2.3 motors. The $1200 or so you could save doing that would buy you some other nice goodies for your van.
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
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gbrandt Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 578 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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I've got this installed in my GW 2.3 litre engine. I have an older install that is currently missing the updated crank sensor. I've been told that when I get around to installing that I'll see a big improvement....which is hard to believe because she is running so great right now.
I've put about 30,000 km on this setup and it works amazingly well. My fuel economy is way better when just cruising. If I put lots of load on the engine my fuel economy is worse. I have gotten over 23.5 MPG when running on a flat at around 90 KPH. My average since the new EFI in all kinds of driving is 17.5 MPG (MPG are in US gallons).
I can't say much about the extra power, I was running the real old version of GW EFI before I updated to this new version (used that to drive to Argentina)...that version felt that it gave more power as well so I don't feel a huge difference.
Gregor _________________ 'Lucky' our 1987 Red Westy, ASV 1.9 TDI ~130HP, Peloquin differential (had a GW 2.3 that we loved, but it died, we drove it hard!)
We've driven in 49 countries and 5 continents to date
Canada to Argentina and back, 2015 to 2017.
Canada to Europe and back (including Turkey, Morocco and Iceland), 2017 to 2019
Mexico 2022-2023
https://www.instagram.com/live.travel.play/
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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"More than fair" can be based on the costs of production & R&D from the sellers viewpoint
or... can be based on the cost rel. to other options from the buyers viewpoint
sometimes, there is no overlap of the two _________________ .... |
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Luckyphil Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2011 Posts: 156 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Well there is at least 50 new owners of this system(said to have sold out in 72 hours) However not a peep out of anyone of them yet. Someone must have fitted theirs by now so how about some feedback. |
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4348 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Luckyphil wrote: |
Well there is at least 50 new owners of this system |
Um.... Feb 5, sold out, after being on sale a few hours... Shipping time? Open up box and let parts glisten in the moonlight? And a complicated DIY procedure? OR, take it to a shop and let them figure it out? I'm not all that good at math, but seriously? I'm pretty sure that its only Feb 12th today.
I am excited to hear, and/or see some pic's of this stuff going in tho!!!
-bobby _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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Syncronoid Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2012 Posts: 1111 Location: Stanford, CA and Bend, OR
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Any feedback yet from new owners of the new system?? Please? _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L |
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Luckyphil Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2011 Posts: 156 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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At least 50 kits sold probably more and not a single feedback post. Seems that Gowesty has stifled buyers from providing any feedback till they approve. Could it possibly be none are fitted yet or is it not just plug and play or are there issues? |
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ledogboy Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 578 Location: Scappoose, OR / Oakland, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Luckyphil wrote: |
At least 50 kits sold probably more and not a single feedback post. Seems that Gowesty has stifled buyers from providing any feedback till they approve. Could it possibly be none are fitted yet or is it not just plug and play or are there issues? |
Or could you just be waayyy too anxious to cast shade without apparent reason? Stifled buyers from providing feedback? That is an extraordinary claim, which to my mind should require some extraordinary evidence. _________________ 1986 Westy Weekender
Now a full camper
1.8t Syncro conversion
Some people call him Maurice... |
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Luckyphil Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2011 Posts: 156 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:47 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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ledogboy wrote: |
Luckyphil wrote: |
At least 50 kits sold probably more and not a single feedback post. Seems that Gowesty has stifled buyers from providing any feedback till they approve. Could it possibly be none are fitted yet or is it not just plug and play or are there issues? |
Or could you just be waayyy too anxious to cast shade without apparent reason? Stifled buyers from providing feedback? That is an extraordinary claim, which to my mind should require some extraordinary evidence. |
From the Gowesty site not my words, "If it is your preference to opt-out of providing feedback, please refrain from purchasing an EFI system until our feedback period has concluded. Thank you!"
I take offence to your insinuations, just asking questions. Hey the reason I love this site is the fantastic feedback however some like you choose to stifle freedom of speech. |
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Kkinsch Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2015 Posts: 50
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:52 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Luckyphil wrote: |
From the Gowesty site not my words, "If it is your preference to opt-out of providing feedback, please refrain from purchasing an EFI system until our feedback period has concluded. Thank you!"
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Not to jump into the middle of this pissing contest, but I interpreted this "feedback" quote to be a "beta" tester period. Meaning that GW wants each of these initial 50 systems to be a part of a beta program that provide feedback back to the GW engineers. That does not mean that they have a gag order on people commenting on the system in the "real world."
Nonetheless, if you want to see an installed system, Jeffrey at Wise Westy just had some images up on his facebook and IG account. Look him up... |
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gbrandt Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 578 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:32 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Kkinsch wrote: |
Luckyphil wrote: |
From the Gowesty site not my words, "If it is your preference to opt-out of providing feedback, please refrain from purchasing an EFI system until our feedback period has concluded. Thank you!"
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Not to jump into the middle of this pissing contest, but I interpreted this "feedback" quote to be a "beta" tester period. Meaning that GW wants each of these initial 50 systems to be a part of a beta program that provide feedback back to the GW engineers. That does not mean that they have a gag order on people commenting on the system in the "real world."
Nonetheless, if you want to see an installed system, Jeffrey at Wise Westy just had some images up on his facebook and IG account. Look him up... |
This is definitely not the Beta program, that has come and gone. This is more of a feedback on the install and install process by users rather than GoWesty.
I was on the beta test and had no 'gag-orders', in fact I asked Lucas specifically if I could discuss the system openly and there was no problem to do so. _________________ 'Lucky' our 1987 Red Westy, ASV 1.9 TDI ~130HP, Peloquin differential (had a GW 2.3 that we loved, but it died, we drove it hard!)
We've driven in 49 countries and 5 continents to date
Canada to Argentina and back, 2015 to 2017.
Canada to Europe and back (including Turkey, Morocco and Iceland), 2017 to 2019
Mexico 2022-2023
https://www.instagram.com/live.travel.play/
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Red Beard Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2006 Posts: 463 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:18 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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gbrandt wrote: |
Kkinsch wrote: |
Luckyphil wrote: |
From the Gowesty site not my words, "If it is your preference to opt-out of providing feedback, please refrain from purchasing an EFI system until our feedback period has concluded. Thank you!"
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Not to jump into the middle of this pissing contest, but I interpreted this "feedback" quote to be a "beta" tester period. Meaning that GW wants each of these initial 50 systems to be a part of a beta program that provide feedback back to the GW engineers. That does not mean that they have a gag order on people commenting on the system in the "real world."
Nonetheless, if you want to see an installed system, Jeffrey at Wise Westy just had some images up on his facebook and IG account. Look him up... |
This is definitely not the Beta program, that has come and gone. This is more of a feedback on the install and install process by users rather than GoWesty.
I was on the beta test and had no 'gag-orders', in fact I asked Lucas specifically if I could discuss the system openly and there was no problem to do so. |
So, can you, like, provide any feedback here?
Edit: fuel economy, power, reliability, other issues?
Edit Edit: Doh! I see you already did https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8682426&highlight=#8682426 _________________ 1990 Vanagon, FAS Gen V 2.0 NA, AT w/ Peloquin diff, NAHT conversion
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SCM Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 3114 Location: Bozeman MT
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:58 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Red Beard wrote: |
So, can you, like, provide any feedback here?
Edit: fuel economy, power, reliability, other issues? |
Scroll up about 10 posts. _________________ '91 Westfalia GL Automatic (GTA "Turbo" Rebuild w/Peloquin) and 2.3L GoWesty Engine |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2753 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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Hey Gregor,
Is that 17.5mpg average with an automatic or manual trans?
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
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gbrandt Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 578 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:43 am Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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hdenter wrote: |
Hey Gregor,
Is that 17.5mpg average with an automatic or manual trans?
Hans |
That’s a manual tranny. Oddly enough my average mileage is getting better. Now at 18. Maybe it’s the roads in Europe 😀. I also have big tires. 215/75r15. BFG KO2 _________________ 'Lucky' our 1987 Red Westy, ASV 1.9 TDI ~130HP, Peloquin differential (had a GW 2.3 that we loved, but it died, we drove it hard!)
We've driven in 49 countries and 5 continents to date
Canada to Argentina and back, 2015 to 2017.
Canada to Europe and back (including Turkey, Morocco and Iceland), 2017 to 2019
Mexico 2022-2023
https://www.instagram.com/live.travel.play/
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2753 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: The New GoWesty EFI Parts Kit |
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That doesn't seem like much of an improvement over stock performance for a manual trans van. Are you accounting for the 11% difference in tire size on your odometer reading?
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
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