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GArBa
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 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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interesting... by doing the calculation with my VIN, the table and your method the resulting engine number is 2000+ units higher than mine... both my numbers are in range for 1997 though.  
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hopkin 
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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| GArBa wrote: |
| interesting... by doing the calculation with my VIN, the table and your method the resulting engine number is 2000+ units higher than mine... both my numbers are in range for 1997 though. |
I have access to 2 different 2001 models, I'm going check those as well, make take a while as they are in winter storage.
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GArBa
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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Meanwhile this convinced me to bite the bullet and finally order a birth certificate for the car. We'll see...
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'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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radstude
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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I just received a new VIN chart from OMNICAR and have a few questions regarding the 12th digit (shown in the first chart as the '0', '5' or '9' after the 'M').
1) Could anyone interested confirm the '0', '5' or '9' based on your year.
According to Nicholas' book, VW started to assign a 17 digit VIN in 1995, but I'm curious if they did that for only the cars exported to Europe. That is, did the domestic cars have a 17 digit VIN for 1995-1997?
I know they do from 1998 on, when VW introduced the New Beetle (as model 1C in the VIN), a 17 digit VIN that conformed to the North American standard was used showing model 1B for the air-cooled Beetles. Prior to that the model was '11' (as shown here):
My car is a '96, the model is an '11' and the 17-digit VIN does not conform the North American standard (with digits 4-6 properly populated and a check digit). (It looks like the first one, 3VWZZZ....)
Another thing to note, OMNICAR had 26 cars especially built for them as shown on the last line on the first chart under 2004. These cars were built after the last Ultima Edcion, the engine numbers are higher than the last 'official' car:
http://sebeetles.com/omnicar_last_edition/
Which got me thinking, and yes I'm bored right now.....
I did a calculation by adding the last 5 digits of my VIN to the last engine number from '95 (according to Nicholas' chart). In theory that should equal the engine number.
It was (for example as I don't want to post all the actual numbers):
VIN = 3VWZZZ113TM512345 (not my actual VIN)
last '95 Engine code = ACD200671
200671 + 12345 = 213016.
If the car/engines were assembled in order then the engine number should match ACD213016.
I did that calculation for my car and the engine number matches the calculation.
Which tells me one of two possibilties:
1) they assembled the cars/engines in order
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2) they assigned the engine number after the engine was put into the car (most likely). |
My Bug is a 2002 Vin. 3VWS1A1B32M900000 I changed the last 5 digits, but it was one of the last ones built in 2002.
ACD444500 is the engine code, or very close. The engine code fall into the 2002 time line, & it is the original engine. My Vin. has a 3 where the ? mark is. Translated the 3 = Austuhraung Despahrzeuges means Equipment. Don't know what that Equipment was. Does that help? |
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hopkin
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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| radstude wrote: |
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My Bug is a 2002 Vin. 3VWS1A1B32M900000 I changed the last 5 digits, but it was one of the last ones built in 2002.
ACD444500 is the engine code, or very close. The engine code fall into the 2002 time line, & it is the original engine. My Vin. has a 3 where the ? mark is. Translated the 3 = Austuhraung Despahrzeuges means Equipment. Don't know what that Equipment was. Does that help? |
The '3' in position 9 is a check digit and is (was in the '90s) used in US/Canada to validate the full VIN.
The S1A are equipment indicators (positions 4-6):
4 - S Model type/version (Table 2)
5 - 1 Engine type (Table 3)
6 - A Safety system (Table 4)
From Table 2: S = Sedan - Type 1 (also used for Jetta)
From Table 3: 1 - 1.6l 44bhp Sedan - Type 1
From Table 4: A = Seat belts, inertia-reel – Type 1
All of the 17 digit (post 1998) VIN's I have see have S1A in positions 4-6. The other VIN's I checked have different digits in position 9, depending on the VIN.
The pre-1998 VIN's (3VWZZZ....) [like my car] always have a '3' in position 9 and does not pass the check digit test. That is not an issue here in Canada as the check digit test does not apply to imported cars > 15 years old.
Note that the '1B' in positions 7-8 (3VWS1A1B32M900000) show the model (type 1B), the pre 1998 cars have '11' (type 1), the New Beetles, introduced in 1998 had '1C' (type 1C) in positions 7-8.
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GArBa
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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| radstude wrote: |
My Bug is a 2002 Vin. 3VWS1A1B32M900000 I changed the last 5 digits, but it was one of the last ones built in 2002.
ACD444500 is the engine code, or very close. The engine code fall into the 2002 time line, & it is the original engine. |
Sorry, just out of curiosity, does Hopkin's method of adding up the VIN to the last engine # of the previous year work for your car, or is it off like mine?
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'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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hopkin
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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| radstude wrote: |
My Bug is a 2002 Vin. 3VWS1A1B32M900000 I changed the last 5 digits, but it was one of the last ones built in 2002.
ACD444500 is the engine code, or very close. The engine code fall into the 2002 time line, & it is the original engine. |
Sorry, just out of curiosity, does Hopkin's method of adding up the VIN to the last engine # of the previous year work for your car, or is it off like mine? |
I checked it on another '96 VIN and it worked. Also it works for the 2004 OMNICAR Ultima Edicion's.
Speaking of which, here's a photo of the highest ACD number, which is not installed on the last 'official' car (higher than the last car). This engine is installed on the last OMNICAR build a couple days before the last official car.
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mf1274
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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Hello.
I have a 2004 Mexican bug that I need to replace the driver door window regulator. Does anyone know what year regulator I have to get that is a bolt in deal? I see there are regulators for up to 1974 and the 1975 up? What is the difference and what one would be the correct one.
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hopkin
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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Hello.
I have a 2004 Mexican bug that I need to replace the driver door window regulator. Does anyone know what year regulator I have to get that is a bolt in deal? I see there are regulators for up to 1974 and the 1975 up? What is the difference and what one would be the correct one.
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The '75 & up should fit, here's the right side from WW and the regulator from my '96 to compare:
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hopkin
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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I just received the following chart that shows VIN's and engine numbers for Beetles built in Mexico from 1978-1985, which was the end of official export (by VW) of air cooled Beetles to Germany.
I thought this might be of interest to owners of older Mexican Beetles as these numbers are not shown in the technical section here on Samba:
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jmott76
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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Anyone know what these green wires are for on a 2003 Mexican Beetle? I have a 2002 and it doesn’t have them. Just wondering what they do and if/why they were removed.
Thanks in advance!
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jkcrum
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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Looking for information on how the Mexican seat track retaining clip/stop is mounted. Or, what does it look like compared to a USA beetle? My 73 standard USA beetle has the clip screwed down between the pin posts (pic1). I obtained a complete seat pan cut out of what seems to be a Mexican beetle of unknown vintage some years back off Craigslist. Now that that I am at the assembly stage I noticed the Mexican seat track has no screw hole to attach the clip (pic2). I presume there must be another style of clip or another method to prevent the seat from sliding all the way backward off the tracks. Anyone have a picture or part number of such a part? I found a VW Mexico stamping on the underside of the bracket shown which leads me to believe this is a Mexican floorpan.
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Sotobaggins
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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jmott76 I have a 2001 and they are hook to the ECU via a vacuum hose and yes they are important do you have a photo of your engine as I know Hopkins can give advise...Sam
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hopkin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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Anyone know what these green wires are for on a 2003 Mexican Beetle? I have a 2002 and it doesn’t have them. Just wondering what they do and if/why they were removed.
Thanks in advance!
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They aren't wires, but vacuum lines, one goes to the ECU, the other to the solenoid valve for the carbon canister system.
They may not be green, on my car ('96) one is green, the other is white. Yours may be different colours if the previous owner changed them. On my car the green one goes to the ECU, the white one loops behind the fan to the valve (ignore the arrow, the picture was from another post):
The white tube ends here, behind the fan:
Note the value changed over the years, so yours may not be exactly like my picture.
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hopkin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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| Looking for information on how the Mexican seat track retaining clip/stop is mounted. ... |
Here are some pictures I took from my '96 last year. I don't see anything like the piece in your pictures. Note that the bracket and pin on top of the pedestal are the same as a MK1 Golf (first picture is a MK1 floorpan with the brackets):
I'm not sure what the bracket is in your last picture, with the PN 1B0 701 121, that's a VW of Mexico PN, so it mostly likely will not show up in a Google search. You can sub out the 1B0 with 111 or 113, doing that (111 701 121) shows a left side floor pan.
The Mexican Beetle has an extra bracket for the ECU cover, maybe the bracket in your picture is for that.
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hopkin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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| ... I presume there must be another style of clip or another method to prevent the seat from sliding all the way backward off the tracks. ... |
Maybe this is the part you are looking for, you can see a bolt at the front of the track (left side in picture). That has to be removed to slide the seat all the way back (and remove it). You can put a nut and bolt in place, if your seats are missing it:
Here's a diagram PN's 36, 31 and 48, my OMNICAR parts list shows these numbers but I don't think they cross reference to anything useful:
36 = NRN-011-121-2
31 = NRN-012-006-4
48 = NRN-014-750-6
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jmott76
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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Anyone know what these green wires are for on a 2003 Mexican Beetle? I have a 2002 and it doesn’t have them. Just wondering what they do and if/why they were removed.
Thanks in advance!
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They aren't wires, but vacuum lines, one goes to the ECU, the other to the solenoid valve for the carbon canister system.
They may not be green, on my car ('96) one is green, the other is white. Yours may be different colours if the previous owner changed them. On my car the green one goes to the ECU, the white one loops behind the fan to the valve (ignore the arrow, the picture was from another post):
The white tube ends here, behind the fan:
Note the value changed over the years, so yours may not be exactly like my picture. |
Thanks for the reply! I truly appreciate it. My car is still in storage at the moment so I’m not able to reference anything for the time being. I don’t believe my car has either vacuum line anymore. She’s a bit of a tired old girl that has spent most of it’s like in Mexico.
Just to clarify, the green vacuum line runs from the ECU to ? And the white runs from the solenoid valve to ? I’m going to order some vacuum tubing and replace what’s missing as soon as I awaken the car from its slumber.
Thanks again for the help. Your pics will serve as a great reference! |
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radstude
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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| hopkin wrote: |
| jmott76 wrote: |
Anyone know what these green wires are for on a 2003 Mexican Beetle? I have a 2002 and it doesn’t have them. Just wondering what they do and if/why they were removed.
Thanks in advance!
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They aren't wires, but vacuum lines, one goes to the ECU, the other to the solenoid valve for the carbon canister system.
They may not be green, on my car ('96) one is green, the other is white. Yours may be different colours if the previous owner changed them. On my car the green one goes to the ECU, the white one loops behind the fan to the valve (ignore the arrow, the picture was from another post):
The white tube ends here, behind the fan:
Note the value changed over the years, so yours may not be exactly like my picture. |
Thanks for the reply! I truly appreciate it. My car is still in storage at the moment so I’m not able to reference anything for the time being. I don’t believe my car has either vacuum line anymore. She’s a bit of a tired old girl that has spent most of it’s like in Mexico.
Just to clarify, the green vacuum line runs from the ECU to ? And the white runs from the solenoid valve to ? I’m going to order some vacuum tubing and replace what’s missing as soon as I awaken the car from its slumber.
Thanks again for the help. Your pics will serve as a great reference! |
I hope this helps.
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hopkin
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Official Mexican / Brazilian Beetles - All years |
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| radstude wrote: |
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Just to clarify, the green vacuum line runs from the ECU to ? And the white runs from the solenoid valve to ? .... |
As radstude shows above, the two lines are connected to the intake body. I don't think it would matter which one goes where, but on my car the lower one (green) is connected to the ECU.
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