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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: 1972-73-74 Type IV (4) Engine Tins Reply with quote

Great information -- thanks, guys.

I have 3 '72-'74 buses, all of which are using their original fuel pumps, and all of which have the weep hose simply dangling. I didn't know it was supposed to "go" anywhere - ha!

So, the one without the hole must be a '79, but will work on the '73 if I just let the weep hose continue to dangle.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: 1972-73-74 Type IV (4) Engine Tins Reply with quote

I think, but am not sure, that the 411s and 412s had their own sled tins as the heater boxes where much smaller than bus heater boxes.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: 1972-73-74 Type IV (4) Engine Tins Reply with quote

[quote="busdaddy"]
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... I have two sled tins for the right side. One has the hole with the grommet, and the other does not. Are there particular years that these go to?

The perforated ones are for carbed buses (fuel pump drain hose). So let's say 72-74 for the hole and maybe 79 for the no hole?, not sure which later heater boxes have the same shape, 75-78 use a radically different sled tin. And how about FI'd type 411/412 cars?, the heat exchangers look odd, but I've never paid much attention to the sled tins.

Kinda think 411's are like 72-74 buses. Ray Greenwood would have the last word on that question, I think.
I agree with your answer about the weep hose hole.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 1972-73-74 Type IV (4) Engine Tins Reply with quote

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... I have two sled tins for the right side. One has the hole with the grommet, and the other does not. Are there particular years that these go to?

The perforated ones are for carbed buses (fuel pump drain hose). So let's say 72-74 for the hole and maybe 79 for the no hole?, not sure which later heater boxes have the same shape, 75-78 use a radically different sled tin. And how about FI'd type 411/412 cars?, the heat exchangers look odd, but I've never paid much attention to the sled tins.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: 1972-73-74 Type IV (4) Engine Tins Reply with quote

jtauxe wrote:

I have a couple of similar but not identical pieces of tin, and am keen to find out which goes to which year Type IV engines.

In the fiche above, there is a part called, maybe 21A. It's the grommet on the front edge (towards the front of the vehicle) of the right sled tin (21), or warm air channel. I have two sled tins for the right side. One has the hole with the grommet, and the other does not. Are there particular years that these go to?


The one with the grommet is for dual carb/manual fuel pump engines. Itís the hole for the pump weep hose.
I *think* the ones without the hole are for Ď79.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 1972-73-74 Type IV (4) Engine Tins Reply with quote

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...1973 Type 4 Engine Tin
Thanks to jersylooker for the Fiche...
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I have a couple of similar but not identical pieces of tin, and am keen to find out which goes to which year Type IV engines.

In the fiche above, there is a part called, maybe 21A. It's the grommet on the front edge (towards the front of the vehicle) of the right sled tin (21), or warm air channel. I have two sled tins for the right side. One has the hole with the grommet, and the other does not. Are there particular years that these go to?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 4 Tin 75-78 Reply with quote

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Alan Brase wrote:
Kick Kombi wrote:
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Does anyone know if you can buy all this tin or majority of it as a package from any companies?


Are items #10 mandatory? I'm sure they are Mad

I'm pissed that I just realized they were missing from my engine...and now I need some. Same two P/N's thru all the T-4 years?

Good news is that these can be installed by only removing the rocker arms, pushrods, and tubes. Seems I had an "oh shit" moment one time involving their installation. keep all pushrods and rocker in exact same locations and setting the valves will be a matter of only checking them.

Thanks Al. Even better news: I'm not there yet Very Happy But I'm rounding that corner real soon here Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: Type 4 Tin 75-78 Reply with quote

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Alan Brase wrote:
Kick Kombi wrote:
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Does anyone know if you can buy all this tin or majority of it as a package from any companies?


Are items #10 mandatory? I'm sure they are Mad

I'm pissed that I just realized they were missing from my engine...and now I need some. Same two P/N's thru all the T-4 years?

Good news is that these can be installed by only removing the rocker arms, pushrods, and tubes. Seems I had an "oh shit" moment one time involving their installation. keep all pushrods and rocker in exact same locations and setting the valves will be a matter of only checking them.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject: Re: 1972-73-74 Type IV (4) Engine Tins Reply with quote

mandatory if you want to drive somewhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: Type 4 Tin 75-78 Reply with quote

Alan Brase wrote:
Kick Kombi wrote:
Tcash wrote:
It has been brought to my attention by aerosurfer that this tin is for 75-78 .
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aerosurfer wrote: "The picture above is tin specific to the stock 75-78 exhaust system."

Thank you aerosurfer!


Does anyone know if you can buy all this tin or majority of it as a package from any companies?

As long as we are trying to document this type 4 sheet metal: The picture shows mid 76-78 sheet metal. the first generation FI engine utilized an intake preheat tube that went below the rear sheet metal and saddled the crossover pipe to heat the air.
VW got rid of this when they went to the 6 wire AFM. I guess they figure the better sensor allowed the FI to just function correctly with only cold intake air. So, I guess the sheet metal should be used with the correct AFM.
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I'm pissed that I just realized they were missing from my engine...and now I need some. Same two P/N's thru all the T-4 years?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:53 am    Post subject: 1972-74 T2 Warn air channel (sled) Tin Right Reply with quote

1972-74 T2 Warn air channel (sled) Tin Right
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 4 Tin 75-78 Reply with quote

Kick Kombi wrote:
Tcash wrote:
It has been brought to my attention by aerosurfer that this tin is for 75-78 .
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

aerosurfer wrote: "The picture above is tin specific to the stock 75-78 exhaust system."

Thank you aerosurfer!


Does anyone know if you can buy all this tin or majority of it as a package from any companies?

As long as we are trying to document this type 4 sheet metal: The picture shows mid 76-78 sheet metal. the first generation FI engine utilized an intake preheat tube that went below the rear sheet metal and saddled the crossover pipe to heat the air.
VW got rid of this when they went to the 6 wire AFM. I guess they figure the better sensor allowed the FI to just function correctly with only cold intake air. So, I guess the sheet metal should be used with the correct AFM.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: 72-74 sheet metal Reply with quote

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Wow Tcash this is some nice work you have compiled here Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:20 am    Post subject: 72-74 sheet metal Reply with quote

Wow Tcash this is some nice work you have compiled here Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:15 am    Post subject: Type IV (4) Engine Tin installation Reply with quote

Type IV (4) Engine Tin installation

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:12 am    Post subject: 1972-73-74 Type IV (4) Engine Tin Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 4 Tin 75-78 Reply with quote

Tcash wrote:
Kick Kombi wrote:
Does anyone know if you can buy all this tin or majority of it as a package from any companies?


I don't know of anyone reproducing these. Used from salvage yards is your best bet.
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Thanks Tcash,
Had done a bit of searching online and I couldn't find any and thought I would ask just in case.
I may not need it, the guy I purchased my Kombi off says all the tinware is with it, I'm doubtful however. Got a few salvage yards here in OZ that I will contact if needed. Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 4 Tin 75-78 Reply with quote

Kick Kombi wrote:
Does anyone know if you can buy all this tin or majority of it as a package from any companies?


A wasted engine destined for the scrap heap may well have a complete or nearly complete set of tins. Check with VW clubs in your area, go to shows, and watch the classifieds.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 4 Tin 75-78 Reply with quote

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Does anyone know if you can buy all this tin or majority of it as a package from any companies?


I don't know of anyone reproducing these. Used from salvage yards is your best bet.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 4 Tin 75-78 Reply with quote

Tcash wrote:
It has been brought to my attention by aerosurfer that this tin is for 75-78 .
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

aerosurfer wrote: "The picture above is tin specific to the stock 75-78 exhaust system."

Thank you aerosurfer!


Does anyone know if you can buy all this tin or majority of it as a package from any companies?
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