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CaLiBus
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Can someone help us swivel seat drivers if a swivel seat was an option this early? These are out of a 42 page Barndoor commercial booklet.
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CaLiBus
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AWSOME Everett! Thank you!
Here's the translation
no wall between Darfur with SWIVEL upholstered passenger seat and direct access to the loading space
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mandraks
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panel without separation wall, instead with an upholstered swivel seat, for direct access to the cargo area.
notice the blatant absence of a passenger seat
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Lowdown Dirty Rat
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OMFG     
That is the greatest thing I have ever seen!!!!!
My two passions in the VW world are barndoors and Swivel seats. I never dared dream they would overlap. That's a big jump from 1959. It looks like they tried out Everything on these barndoors 
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CaLiBus
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Lowdown Dirty Rat wrote: |
OMFG
That is the greatest thing I have ever seen!!!!!
My two passions in the VW world are barndoors and Swivel seats. I never dared dream they would overlap. That's a big jump from 1959. It looks like they tried out Everything on these barndoors |
Yea!!. This has to be one of thee MOST KOOLEST DISCOVERIES in BD and SS history!.. I'm getting the impression lately that split guys are having a hard time letting this sink in.. I've also opened up a thread in the split forum as well.
Check it out ! |
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| mandraks wrote: |
panel without separation wall, instead with an upholstered swivel seat, for direct access to the cargo area.
notice the blatant absence of a passenger seat |
No production swivelseats had a passenger seat installed, with the possible exception of the Canadian Air Force high roof swivelseat bus.
This prototype or artwork bus has some other cool features.
No partition reinforcement.
Hinged seat back.
Very late swivelseats had folding seat backs, possibly later 62 and 63 buses only.
This bus would be up there with a sliding door Barndoor on the killer find list.
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52panelvan
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Nah...It just looks like a pretend mock up to me, that's been placed on top of there for the "picture". There is little to zero support in that X panel, its plonked straight on top of the X section without even a cut out in the seat base or evidence of strengthening or even bolting down.
Also if you were sat in a barndoor with a seat that elevated you would have to cut a hole in the roof to see out 
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And my short ass legs wouldn't reach the pedals! 
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CaLiBus
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Nah...It just looks like a pretend mock up to me, that's been placed on top of there for the "picture". There is little to zero support in that X panel, its plonked straight on top of the X section without even a cut out in the seat base or evidence of strengthening or even bolting down.
Also if you were sat in a barndoor with a seat that elevated you would have to cut a hole in the roof to see out |
Don't forget. "Air brush" if that's what we call it was used the majority of the time throughout parts manuals and repair manuals depicting REAL STUFF.. So here we have another early Picasso giving us the "slapped on look" |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat
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I agree this is most defiantly just a sketch to advertise an option. But I would also be amazed if someone didn't order the option for real on a barndoor. If not, then VW wasted their time with the advert.
Swivel seats just make sence for effective use of the inside space. Some buyers must have realised this and got one.
Let's find it
Unless one has been found, possibly with the seat missing (as usual for swivels) and barndoor guys assumed it was a bulkhead hack  
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CaLiBus
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I agree this is most defiantly just a sketch to advertise an option. But I would also be amazed if someone didn't order the option for real on a barndoor. If not, then VW wasted their time with the advert.
Swivel seats just make sence for effective use of the inside space. Some buyers must have realised this and got one.
Let's find it
Unless one has been found, possibly with the seat missing (as usual for swivels) and barndoor guys assumed it was a bulkhead hack |
You summarized it perfectly..
And what 52panel wrote "nah .. It's just a pretend mock up" .. Well doesn't that sound like saying "nah.. that steering colome is a pretend mock up.. Look how long it is"
So far it's strongly suggesting it was an option.. |
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I like your point of view...
Its all a matter of opinion of course. Ask yourself a couple of questions?
Does that chair look like German VW engineering or a midgets Dentist chair?
If a 15 Stone man sat on that chair supported by that X section panel, what angle would it be bent at after 100 miles?
If you find that Barndoor with that option, I will happily print this thread out and eat it
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I like your point of view...
Its all a matter of opinion of course. Ask yourself a couple of questions?
Does that chair look like German VW engineering or a midgets Dentist chair?
If a 15 Stone man sat on that chair supported by that X section panel, what angle would it be bent at after 100 miles?
If you find that Barndoor with that option, I will happily print this thread out and eat it |
i think a simple plate on the bottom would have taken care of this easily. The seat mounts for the regular buses are not exactly i-beams either.
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| i'm sure the germans werent stupid enough to just slap that swivel mount onto the seat stand without strengthening it, IF one was ever produced |
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I don't think there is any doubt that the design in the picture is shit. The obvious thing to me is that the chair wouldn't be mounted fully on the 'X' at all as it's to close to the door. The wheel arch would have to be widened and I assume it would be based off a walk through section. We know the walk through was already in place in 1951 and this barndoor Boucher is much later.
The artist has drawn a bodge fix but to advertise it you know VW had planned and tested it out for real. They were well known for there professionalism.
Like I said before; if it was advertised, Surely someone ordered one?
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| i'm sure the germans werent stupid enough to just slap that swivel mount onto the seat stand without strengthening it, IF one was ever produced |
No I agree. I'm just pulling his leg. ..I was trying to be sarcastic but it seems to have failed
Its an interesting "shot" that's all i'm saying, it just doesn't look very VW to me on the face of it. The completely missing bulkhead ( front doors would be a bugger to open if its not on level ground), some weird round unsupported seat that looks wrong. The grommet from the old seat support still there and a whole host of other little details that make it just look like its just a concept picture rather than a production one..
Would be great if it was real though don't get me wrong.
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It's defiantly not real and IS a Concept picture and not a production one in my eyes to.
If it was a piece of VW factory literature I would say it's very likely an idea that never saw reality.
But it's in a advertisement Brochure!!! You don't advertise what you can't deliver.
For what ever reason they must have not photographed the test piece, or lost/we're not happy with the shots and got an artist to mock one up. Possibly on a short deadline and off a brief description. Who knows why they painted and didn't shot.
But again - in a Brochure you don't advertise what you don't offer.
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