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Ghia 1966
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 Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:31 am Post subject: Is this steering column correct for a split? |
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I am working on restoring my 1950 split! I can see clearly that steering wheel is not correct and I am about to buy a banjo steering wheel correct for years 49-59! my question is that steering column correct or do I need to change it and buy another column?! would it fit with steering wheel?! or do I have to change it?
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RareAir
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You need a Pre '59 steering column & tube.
What you currently have is a 1960-72 column & tube which is evident because of the '60s styled wheel.
The column will have only 24 teeth on it
The steering tube will have a facility for a horn brush to be inserted-
You'll also need a steering wheel bushing-
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Ghia 1966
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| RareAir wrote: |
You need a Pre '59 steering column & tube.
What you currently have is a 1960-72 column & tube which is evident because of the '60s styled wheel.
The column will have only 24 teeth on it
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I thought so! any idea where I could buy this column from?!
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Loren
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| You might want to double check to see if your column is correct. The PO might have just replaced the steering shaft and steering wheel. There should be a shaft for sale in the classifieds, if not PM me and I will see if I still have one. |
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Ghia 1966
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Excuse my ignorance but never thought one could change shaft and not column all together? How would I know if my column is the correct one? Is there any visual differences between pre 59 and after 59 column ?
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RareAir
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| Ghia 1966 wrote: |
| Excuse my ignorance but never thought one could change shaft and not column all together? How would I know if my column is the correct one? Is there any visual differences between pre 59 and after 59 column ? |
You cant mix the components from different years without extensive modification. Loren is giving out misinformation. Pre'59 columns will have a facility to mount a horn brush as I showed in an earlier photo
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Ghia 1966
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WhAt is the difference then between split steering column and the later models column? Look wise I meAn?
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sweden
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You'll also need a steering wheel bushing-
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This is an 1958-1959 steering column or?
The neck is shorter then the older soo this bushing will not fit?
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sweden
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Is this steering column correct for a split? |
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Can anyone confirm if i'm right or wrong?
That the steering column is same up to 1957 and then it´s different 1958-1959
The only difference is the flair at the wheel side where the bushing is mounted for the steering wheel.
The steering wheel shaft is the same between 1949 to 1959-08-06 ch-nr 2528668.
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sweden
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Is this steering column correct for a split? |
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Here is how the steering wheel shaft look like pre -59
Both shafts is same but two models of nuts.
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ZENVWDRIVER
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| RareAir wrote: |
You need a Pre '59 steering column & tube.
What you currently have is a 1960-72 column & tube which is evident because of the '60s styled wheel.
The column will have only 24 teeth on it
The steering tube will have a facility for a horn brush to be inserted-
You'll also need a steering wheel bushing-
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... described a little differently - you'll need a coarse-spline shaft - 24 teeth, used until very early 1956 and then the spline teeth were changed to a very different smooth-tooth type = 48 teeth ( used from 1956 to 1959) and will not accept the stock, coarse threaded wheel.
After 1959, and beginning in 1960 the shaft got shorter and the steering wheel changed from the flat type to the deep-dish type, showing in your picture... also the coarse-tooth type shaft is longer.
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RareAir
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| ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
... described a little differently - you'll need a coarse-spline shaft - 24 teeth, used until very early 1956 and then the spline teeth were changed to a very different smooth-tooth type = 48 teeth ( used from 1956 to 1959) and will not accept the stock, coarse threaded wheel.
After 1959, and beginning in 1960 the shaft got shorter and the steering wheel changed from the flat type to the deep-dish type, showing in your picture... also the coarse-tooth type shaft is longer. |
 
The same 24-tooth coarse splined steering shaft was used from 1949-59. A 1956-59 48-tooth splined steering shaft doesn’t exist.
Rather, VW changed the splined hub on the steering wheel itself, from 24 to 48 sometime during the 1956 model run.
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ZENVWDRIVER
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| ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
... described a little differently - you'll need a coarse-spline shaft - 24 teeth, used until very early 1956 and then the spline teeth were changed to a very different smooth-tooth type = 48 teeth ( used from 1956 to 1959) and will not accept the stock, coarse threaded wheel.
After 1959, and beginning in 1960 the shaft got shorter and the steering wheel changed from the flat type to the deep-dish type, showing in your picture... also the coarse-tooth type shaft is longer. |
The same 24-tooth coarse splined steering shaft was used from 1949-59. A 1956-59 48-tooth splined steering shaft doesn’t exist.
Rather, VW changed the splined hub on the steering wheel itself, from 24 to 48 sometime during the 1956 model run. |
../ now I understand... thanks.
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1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
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