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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil cooler removal Reply with quote

fatkidking wrote:
Can the oil cooler/seals be removed and or replaced without dropping the engine? I'm getting a lot of mixed information and I would really appreciate some clarity.


Hi first time poster.
You posted in an electrical thread. I started a new thread for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject: Oil cooler removal Reply with quote

Can the oil cooler/seals be removed and or replaced without dropping the engine? I'm getting a lot of mixed information and I would really appreciate some clarity.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: 69 electrical hacks by PO, need advice Reply with quote

good luck! one of the main problems i had when i first started this thread was that some wires start out one color, then go to a connector under the dash (or wherever) and then the same wire trace becomes another color on the other side of the connector.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: 69 electrical hacks by PO, need advice Reply with quote

I've been struggling with the wiring on my camper for a while now, every diagram I've come across is slightly different to my bus!!! But this thread seems to have helped me out a fair bit, I'll try it out tomorrow and let you know.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone. Just wanna thank you all for your great work and detail. You have already saved me so much time with my 69 re wire.
So far So good and I'm following all the info on this thread and the various diagrams.
Hopefully I won't need anymore help than you have all already given.
I'll post some pics of my setup and bin number to maybe help others. Mine is a UK bus rhd so we will see.

Cheers Luke.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Items J and K on this page: http://www.bughaus.com/beetle_wiring_looms.htm
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:27 pm    Post subject: Wiring Harness Hardware Reply with quote

There are many clear plastic terminal protectors in the wire harness. They may protect a two to one or other configurations. Does anyone have a source for these items. They will become yellow and brittle in the engine bay over time. I try to save them one the wreck I salvage, but new ones would be much better.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bummer! too bad we didnt have those pictures a year ago, OTOH, I learned ALOT about wiring from this experience. All the research I did and help i received on this thread has given me the confidence to tackle other projects on the bus I was dreading.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yarkle wrote:
NICE!!!

Whered you find those? cuz I could use the brake harness, since I now know I have to redo mine and it just plugs into the horn connector


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NICE!!!

Whered you find those? cuz I could use the brake harness, since I now know I have to redo mine and it just plugs into the horn connector
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

69 Fuse box, Turn relay, Headlight relay Pix
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Yarkle.
I will see what I can Gimp up.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K, heres what I found:

Flasher:

2 browns on one pin: 69 and 70 wire diagrams say pin 31, but i didnt see that, but it might be cuz of the piggyback connector

one goes to the instrument cluster, one goes to a prong on the body

KBL thin blue to turn signal warning light in instruments

49 white to + terminal on E switch

49a Piggy back: Blue wire piggybacked with a black/green wire: its piggybacked on the relay, not at a connector as shown in 69 and 70

So, with the exception of the wires being piggybacked isntead of a connector, and the two grounds, its as the 70 diagram, except the fuses are as per the 68 diagram (3 and 5 instead of 8 and 10)

blue goes to 49a on E switch,
black green turns into a black, green and white that goes into the turn signal switch..I imagine 54 on the turn signal switch

Dimmer:

311941583A

56a Yellow to input fuse 5
S Brown/white to turns switch (S?)
56 Black white to term 56 Head Light switch
F White to input side fuse 3

So, pretty much, the fuse layout follows the 68 diagram (3 and 5 instead of 8 and 10), but the relays follow the 70 diagram, with the exception that the wires on the flasher are piggybacked instead of the wire connectors shown on the diagram.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yarkle wrote:
Tcash..Ok, i think this is all set now, so unless there's something I missed/messed up, can you put it on the 1st page of the thread and in the wiring diagrams where the old sketch was?
Put it in your first post.
Sent a request to Everett to make the correction in the Wiring diagram section.


I just got back from the where the bus is, so ill try and check that flasher this week sometime, next weekend at the latest.....I know it is the "C" flasher.
No hurry, No worries, Supposed to be fun right!

yeah, i was wondering about that dimmer relay thing, I looked around for it yesterday and couldnt find any wires going to it from 9 or 10. When i check out the flasher, ill trace the dimmer relay wires as well, I'm sure It"ll come up at some point.
Your one step ahead of me. You know the Dimmer Relay is going to come up though.


Thank You and have a great week.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tcash..Ok, i think this is all set now, so unless theres something i missed/messed up, can you put it on the 1st page of the thread and in the wiring diagrams where the old sketch was?

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I just got back from the where the bus is, so ill try and check that flasher this week sometime, next weekend at the latest.....I know it is the "C" flasher.

yeah, i was wondering about that dimmer relay thing, I looked around for it yesterday and couldnt find any wires going to it from 9 or 10. When i check out the flasher, ill trace the dimmer relay wires as well, im sure itll come up at some point.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good morning Yarkle
I would disregard the 12/67 & 11/68 fuse box layout. I noticed they both have Headlight Flasher on Fuse #9 (S9). To the best of my knowledge this was a Euro thing. I removed them, so members don't get confused.

Note: on the 8/67 & 8/68 fuse box diagram, that Fuse #9 (S9) is lablelled for (Interior light & Emergency blinker lights)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7626694#7626694

Fuse 9 (S9): Open the 68-69 diagram. There are three wires on S9,
Red 2.5 to #30 on J (relay)
Red 0.5 to Y (interior light)
Red 0.5 to J6 (interior light switch)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiring/baybus_6869a.jpg

Fuse #10 (S10):
Is used for the Radio and or an Accessories.

Sounds like we have the brake light circuit and fuse box nailed down.
Lets talk about the Turn signal and Emergency Flasher circuits
Do you have the 211 953 215 C Turn Signal Relay 4 terminal E-relay?
If it has not been hacked to bad. What color are the wires on it and where do they go?
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#49
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

garyb606 Glad to her you got the brake lights working. Pull the light bulb out of the Brake light warning light. This will drain your battery if it stays on all the time. Modern cars do not require the ignition switch to be on to operate the brake lights. But your 69 does when wired correctly.

Note: If you are going to leave the key on for testing or to listen to the stereo. Disconnect the wire from terminal #15+ on the coil and put some tape around it, so it does not short out. If you don't do this you can fry the points or cook the coil.

When you are ready to dive in some more. Let us know?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:32 am    Post subject: 1969 Bay Brake Wiring Problem Reply with quote

Here is what I found out about the TCash questions above.

1. Do you have the Ignition key on when testing the brake lights? No. I do now.

2.
a. where does the Black wire on the brake light switch go? To the small (B) brake light indicator.
b. what color is the wire on #54f on the E-switch? black with a purple stripe.
c. where does the wire go to, from #54f on the E-switch? goes to a plastic sleeve connector with a wire connector broken off in the opposite end no wire coming out. I had not noticed this before
d. where does the (Black/red stripe) wire go to under the dash? it disappears going down behind a lower panel and ends up on the right rear brake light.
e. where does the (Blk/yellow stripe) wire go to under the dash. goes to a plastic sleeve connector with a black/gray wire out.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tcash.,.yes that is the right routing for the brakes,

fuses 9 and 10...do i have them reversed? dome lights should be on 10, e-switch on 9, or all three on 10? (I think all 3 on ten, now that i reviewed the two diagrams..but going by the owners manual ones, they could all three be on 9 as well?)

LMK and ill fix it--

Garyb- Id say that until that black red wire is hooked up (not the one going to the green connector, the stripped one) is hooked up to the black red going to the connector under the dash, you are only going to see one light..

one thing ive noticed is depending on what light you are using--daylight, wire bulb, or led, the colors can get a little off...what i have is a blk/red coming from the turn switch that goes to that connector, that goes to a blk/red that goes down to the brake light, but in some lights, it looks more orange than red, and in other, more purple than red.

So id say what looks to be a purple wire, hook that up to the dangly blk/red and see what happens. I think its actually coming from the turn signal switch, not 54f

Also its not a 4 piece connector as shown on the 70 diagram, its a two piece

until you figure out the switches and the wiring for them, you are going to have that warning light on. Id say undo how you have them all tied together and isolate which one is powering the switches, and which one is going to the warning lamp. Once thats done, id recocmend you try the three switch solution and wire up per the diagram on p 4.

ASIDE: : When i originally researched this, Peter Good (UK wiring guy) said that he has retro'd all of his buses so that the instrument lamp wire (fuse 2 input side) , is on the OUTPUT side. He said that since its unfused, it could potentially be a fire hazard, and that it was the second highest cause of 68-69 bay bus fires in the UK. I see that in the 1970 diagram, VW adopted this measure as well.

Its kind of like fusing the coil wire, might not be a huge problem, but it makes sense from a safety standpoint.. Having had to escape from a burning vehicle on more than one occasion, Im thinking of doing it myself.

None of the burning vehicles were caused by unfused wires though..
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:34 am    Post subject: 1969 Bay Brake Wiring Problem Reply with quote

OK. I have brake lights!
But, I got them the old-fashioned way.

Underneath, I connected the two brake light dangling switch wires together and ran an extension from the yellow stripe wire that goes to the horn. Just like from the video done by coyote warrior. Horn is not in circuit now it died.

Under dash I slid the green wire with plastic sleeve connector together with the red stripe wire and red dot wire.

What has been going on is; I have been watching the drivers side brake light with a wall mirror propped up against the garage door and could not see the other brake light. This time I cut a board and positioned it against the brake pedal bracing it against the seat frame and began walking to the rear of the bus with each fix attempt AND turning the key ON each trial. I have not always done that. I know that is dumb. I did not know that brake lights don't come on when ones foot is resting on the brake pedal and the key is off.

Now, I have pass. side brake light. The jumper wire that was not connected in the engine compartment and ran overhead the deck lid by hinges that I thought was an attempt by po to hook up trailer lights was being used as a jumper from pass. side brake light to drivers side brake light. I ran a new piece of wire from pass. side light to DS.
Brake lights work BUT the small brake light button on the dash now stays on.

I am guessing that a wire hookup is wrong, or my attempt to fool the system with a jumper wire was not entirely successful or one of the MC brake light switches is bad.

My sincerest THANK YOU ALL for your help, patience with me and not giving up on a dumb hillbilly with no automotive sense or abilities.

You guys are great.
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