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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Printing the shape is the easy part. Materials selection will be very important and may or may not allow printing. The material should have similar or better strength to originals, along with environmental ruggedness (ie UV resistant, temperature resistant, compatibility with oil/grease)

Metal parts can be printed as can plastic parts. Generally to make metal parts of any reasonable strength, you need a fancier printing machine, sintering ovens.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something to fill the dash map light hole. maybe plastic that would hold a led light. vs the bent clear always lose plastic one.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rapid prototypes are just that, prototypes.
The material is very costly.
Production parts are cost prohibitive.

A 6" cube could cost $500

The technology is very, very cool.

I design models and tools every day, but only for 4 more weeks.
I am making a HUGE career change.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

imikeh wrote:
Something to fill the dash map light hole. maybe plastic that would hold a led light. vs the bent clear always lose plastic one.


I'm working on a similar product for a different location in my Westy but this would be pretty easy to knock one out....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero419 wrote:
Rapid prototypes are just that, prototypes.
The material is very costly.
Production parts are cost prohibitive.


I work with a company that can make production run parts on their 3D printer. If there is something that I can design tht would sell alot of I can certainly get a quote from them using a wide range of materials. or even make a mold for injection molding. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't have a 3D printer, but I have extensive modeling experience, modeling billion dollar subsea manifold assemblies.

Count me in to make some models. Guess we should have some poll system to decide what to make?

Also, material/printing cost needs to be evaluated for which parts are viable.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Every shifter wear item (I know they are available but they are spendy)
2. Custom gauge console to fit in the original cover.
3. Flushmount front turn signals to fit in the stock location.
4. Custom rear sidemarkers
5. Custom rear light assemblies with elaborate l.e.d. array.
6. A better sink faucet.
7. OEM appearing overhead console with speakers.
8. Stock looking opening dashboard cover and tray to turn dash into glovebox.
9. Keychain.
10.Fire extinguisher mount-stock appearing
11. flashlight holder-stock appearing.
12 better designed cabinets and latches

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

furrylittleotter wrote:
1. Every shifter wear item (I know they are available but they are spendy)
2. Custom gauge console to fit in the original cover.
3. Flushmount front turn signals to fit in the stock location.
4. Custom rear sidemarkers
5. Custom rear light assemblies with elaborate l.e.d. array.
6. A better sink faucet.
7. OEM appearing overhead console with speakers.
8. Stock looking opening dashboard cover and tray to turn dash into glovebox.
9. Keychain.
10.Fire extinguisher mount-stock appearing
11. flashlight holder-stock appearing.
12 better designed cabinets and latches

Neil2


Honestly, I believe it's pretty much a pipedream to expect these kind of things to be made. First of, most of the things you listed already exists either as original or aftermarket. Are YOU willing to pay 10x the price for say a better faucet, when several are available already? No? I would not think most others would be interested in that either.

As for the other stuff, that's not a simple model and 3D print, that's engineering new parts that never existed. While that is doable, I hardly think there's any marked for most of these things mentioned, and hence the few parts one would make would be astronomical in cost.

I believe NLA functional parts is what would be reasonable to expect could be made.

No 3. The reason the front blinkers aren't flush, is so they can be seen from behind at a 15 degree angle, or what would be the "dead zone" where you cant see the other car in the next lane in either mirror. One need the European lenses though for it to actually work this way.

No 7. OEM appearing overhead console. I believe this one already exists- I had one in a vanagon once that was a bow of sorts in the roof behind the front seats, with speakers in it. Might be a European marked only thing though. But that means it's available, and even sending it from Europe, is going to be cheaper than 3D printing one.

Latches might be a good candidate for 3D printing.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like my pipe dreams. The op said ANY vanagon part. Read my posts. My pipe dreams usually come true. Do yours?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, I guess dreaming is good too. And sometimes they do become reality, your right.

I guess I was more in another mindset than the dreaming phase after reading the OP second post;

"I see these steps as necessary to achieve this vision:
1. People with access to 3D printers of various sizes and the willingness to test out stuff. (e.g. like Zero419, bdcain, and unibagel)
2. People to make/create/find valid part designs that can be "open sourced" and put online for free download
3. People to put them online and make them accessible. As a software guy, I can definitely help here and would be up to helping anywhere else too.
4. Funding (for domain/website, etc. and especially for materials to test out the 3D printing). Crowd source funding here like KickStarter.com might work to get off the ground. "



I'd love this one though; "8. Stock looking opening dashboard cover and tray to turn dash into glovebox."
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's remember that 3D printing of "smaller" parts is where these machine really shine. By that I mean 1" to 4" parts (actually really depends on the shape of the part though). It's not really cost effective to make large dashboard trays or postal flares... Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well the medium bit is the killer at x$ a pound of filament (if using filament)

i was/am side tracked by looking at making a
extruding device that used abs plumbing pipe as feed

or a grinder heater extruder that utilizes waste plastic

i can get used skyway tuff wheelchair wheels regularly
for free

they are made of a superstrong plastic
I use them also for bomb proof bike trailers
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about an entire car?

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/edag-3-d-printed-car/

Or Jay Leno's car collection:
"Jay Leno has a lot of old cars with a lot of obsolete parts. When he needs to replace these parts, he skips the error-prone machinist and goes to his rapid prototyping 3D printer. Simply scan, print and repeat."

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/articles/jay-lenos-3d-printer-replaces-rusty-old-parts-1/
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

climberjohn wrote:

Or Jay Leno's car collection:
"Jay Leno has a lot of old cars with a lot of obsolete parts. When he needs to replace these parts, he skips the error-prone machinist and goes to his rapid prototyping 3D printer. Simply scan, print and repeat."

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/articles/jay-lenos-3d-printer-replaces-rusty-old-parts-1/


The Leno article says "The NextEngine scanner costs $2995." I'll look into it more. I'm guessing there are some hidden fees like softare you need to buy, etc. I bet we could crowd source fund that from TheSamba members that see the value in 3D printing Vanagon parts. That is like 100 people * $30/each. I'll eat in rather than at the restaurant one night this month and donate it to this worthy cause.

Initial goal, again, would be to scan as many Vanagon parts as possible, starting with high demand and NLAs, to get the designs online as freely accessible "open source" downloads that anybody could take to the 3D printer of their choosing.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked into the next engine scanner a few years ago for work and determined that it was not worth the "cheapness".

Remember that once you "scan" a part you end up with a "point cloud" and need another software program to turn that into a "dumb solid" for use in a 3D CAD program such as SolidWorks, or Inventor. It's not a straightforward process as of yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unibagel wrote:
I looked into the next engine scanner a few years ago for work and determined that it was not worth the "cheapness".

Remember that once you "scan" a part you end up with a "point cloud" and need another software program to turn that into a "dumb solid" for use in a 3D CAD program such as SolidWorks, or Inventor. It's not a straightforward process as of yet.


Would you mind looking at it again to see if it or its bundled software has improved? From a process and product level, how do you recommend the Vanagon community goes about getting good/detailed scans of parts?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking a nice iphone cradle for the ashtray would be nice. Make it so a dock connector plugs in to the bottom and then gets wired however the owner wants.
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