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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Printing the shape is the easy part. Materials selection will be very important and may or may not allow printing. The material should have similar or better strength to originals, along with environmental ruggedness (ie UV resistant, temperature resistant, compatibility with oil/grease)
Metal parts can be printed as can plastic parts. Generally to make metal parts of any reasonable strength, you need a fancier printing machine, sintering ovens. _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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imikeh Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2013 Posts: 56 Location: Midwestern USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Something to fill the dash map light hole. maybe plastic that would hold a led light. vs the bent clear always lose plastic one. |
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Zero419 Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2008 Posts: 2160 Location: PA
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Rapid prototypes are just that, prototypes.
The material is very costly.
Production parts are cost prohibitive.
A 6" cube could cost $500
The technology is very, very cool.
I design models and tools every day, but only for 4 more weeks.
I am making a HUGE career change. _________________ 1987 Westy Auto Bostig 2.0 Ztec |
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unibagel Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2004 Posts: 528 Location: Bflo, NY
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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imikeh wrote: |
Something to fill the dash map light hole. maybe plastic that would hold a led light. vs the bent clear always lose plastic one. |
I'm working on a similar product for a different location in my Westy but this would be pretty easy to knock one out.... |
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unibagel Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2004 Posts: 528 Location: Bflo, NY
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Zero419 wrote: |
Rapid prototypes are just that, prototypes.
The material is very costly.
Production parts are cost prohibitive. |
I work with a company that can make production run parts on their 3D printer. If there is something that I can design tht would sell alot of I can certainly get a quote from them using a wide range of materials. or even make a mold for injection molding. Just a thought. |
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tilstad Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2010 Posts: 173 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Don't have a 3D printer, but I have extensive modeling experience, modeling billion dollar subsea manifold assemblies.
Count me in to make some models. Guess we should have some poll system to decide what to make?
Also, material/printing cost needs to be evaluated for which parts are viable. |
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furrylittleotter Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2008 Posts: 1506 Location: West Seattle
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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1. Every shifter wear item (I know they are available but they are spendy)
2. Custom gauge console to fit in the original cover.
3. Flushmount front turn signals to fit in the stock location.
4. Custom rear sidemarkers
5. Custom rear light assemblies with elaborate l.e.d. array.
6. A better sink faucet.
7. OEM appearing overhead console with speakers.
8. Stock looking opening dashboard cover and tray to turn dash into glovebox.
9. Keychain.
10.Fire extinguisher mount-stock appearing
11. flashlight holder-stock appearing.
12 better designed cabinets and latches
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TequilaSunSet Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2012 Posts: 2109 Location: Philippines
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Bitcoins
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1972 Panel Bus- Gone
1967 Bug- Gone
1964 Euro Sunroof Bug- Gone
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tilstad Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2010 Posts: 173 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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furrylittleotter wrote: |
1. Every shifter wear item (I know they are available but they are spendy)
2. Custom gauge console to fit in the original cover.
3. Flushmount front turn signals to fit in the stock location.
4. Custom rear sidemarkers
5. Custom rear light assemblies with elaborate l.e.d. array.
6. A better sink faucet.
7. OEM appearing overhead console with speakers.
8. Stock looking opening dashboard cover and tray to turn dash into glovebox.
9. Keychain.
10.Fire extinguisher mount-stock appearing
11. flashlight holder-stock appearing.
12 better designed cabinets and latches
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Honestly, I believe it's pretty much a pipedream to expect these kind of things to be made. First of, most of the things you listed already exists either as original or aftermarket. Are YOU willing to pay 10x the price for say a better faucet, when several are available already? No? I would not think most others would be interested in that either.
As for the other stuff, that's not a simple model and 3D print, that's engineering new parts that never existed. While that is doable, I hardly think there's any marked for most of these things mentioned, and hence the few parts one would make would be astronomical in cost.
I believe NLA functional parts is what would be reasonable to expect could be made.
No 3. The reason the front blinkers aren't flush, is so they can be seen from behind at a 15 degree angle, or what would be the "dead zone" where you cant see the other car in the next lane in either mirror. One need the European lenses though for it to actually work this way.
No 7. OEM appearing overhead console. I believe this one already exists- I had one in a vanagon once that was a bow of sorts in the roof behind the front seats, with speakers in it. Might be a European marked only thing though. But that means it's available, and even sending it from Europe, is going to be cheaper than 3D printing one.
Latches might be a good candidate for 3D printing. |
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furrylittleotter Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2008 Posts: 1506 Location: West Seattle
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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I like my pipe dreams. The op said ANY vanagon part. Read my posts. My pipe dreams usually come true. Do yours?
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tilstad Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2010 Posts: 173 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Alright, I guess dreaming is good too. And sometimes they do become reality, your right.
I guess I was more in another mindset than the dreaming phase after reading the OP second post;
"I see these steps as necessary to achieve this vision:
1. People with access to 3D printers of various sizes and the willingness to test out stuff. (e.g. like Zero419, bdcain, and unibagel)
2. People to make/create/find valid part designs that can be "open sourced" and put online for free download
3. People to put them online and make them accessible. As a software guy, I can definitely help here and would be up to helping anywhere else too.
4. Funding (for domain/website, etc. and especially for materials to test out the 3D printing). Crowd source funding here like KickStarter.com might work to get off the ground. "
I'd love this one though; "8. Stock looking opening dashboard cover and tray to turn dash into glovebox." |
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unibagel Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2004 Posts: 528 Location: Bflo, NY
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:10 am Post subject: |
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Let's remember that 3D printing of "smaller" parts is where these machine really shine. By that I mean 1" to 4" parts (actually really depends on the shape of the part though). It's not really cost effective to make large dashboard trays or postal flares... |
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bdcain Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2013 Posts: 306 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:46 am Post subject: |
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well the medium bit is the killer at x$ a pound of filament (if using filament)
i was/am side tracked by looking at making a
extruding device that used abs plumbing pipe as feed
or a grinder heater extruder that utilizes waste plastic
i can get used skyway tuff wheelchair wheels regularly
for free
they are made of a superstrong plastic
I use them also for bomb proof bike trailers _________________ It looks just like a telefunken u-47 |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:46 am Post subject: |
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climberjohn Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 1840 Location: Portland Orygun
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coclimber Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2013 Posts: 245 Location: Morrison, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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The Leno article says "The NextEngine scanner costs $2995." I'll look into it more. I'm guessing there are some hidden fees like softare you need to buy, etc. I bet we could crowd source fund that from TheSamba members that see the value in 3D printing Vanagon parts. That is like 100 people * $30/each. I'll eat in rather than at the restaurant one night this month and donate it to this worthy cause.
Initial goal, again, would be to scan as many Vanagon parts as possible, starting with high demand and NLAs, to get the designs online as freely accessible "open source" downloads that anybody could take to the 3D printer of their choosing. _________________ '83.5 Westfalia Camper - SOLD
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unibagel Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2004 Posts: 528 Location: Bflo, NY
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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I looked into the next engine scanner a few years ago for work and determined that it was not worth the "cheapness".
Remember that once you "scan" a part you end up with a "point cloud" and need another software program to turn that into a "dumb solid" for use in a 3D CAD program such as SolidWorks, or Inventor. It's not a straightforward process as of yet. |
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coclimber Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2013 Posts: 245 Location: Morrison, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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unibagel wrote: |
I looked into the next engine scanner a few years ago for work and determined that it was not worth the "cheapness".
Remember that once you "scan" a part you end up with a "point cloud" and need another software program to turn that into a "dumb solid" for use in a 3D CAD program such as SolidWorks, or Inventor. It's not a straightforward process as of yet. |
Would you mind looking at it again to see if it or its bundled software has improved? From a process and product level, how do you recommend the Vanagon community goes about getting good/detailed scans of parts? _________________ '83.5 Westfalia Camper - SOLD
'86 Westfalia Weekender
2001 Subaru Legacy 2.5L donor
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TequilaSunSet Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2012 Posts: 2109 Location: Philippines
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Get a 3D pen... and go doodle crazy!
http://the3doodler.com/ _________________ Don't harsh my mellow...
1985 Hightower Vanagon 1.8T- Gone
1972 Panel Bus- Gone
1967 Bug- Gone
1964 Euro Sunroof Bug- Gone
1969/72/63 Sunroof Bug- Gone
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hans j Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 2713 Location: Salt Lake City UT
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:50 am Post subject: |
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I'm thinking a nice iphone cradle for the ashtray would be nice. Make it so a dock connector plugs in to the bottom and then gets wired however the owner wants. _________________ 1986 Canadian Syncro Westy TDI - 1989 Syncro Single Cab - 2001 Audi S4 - 1981 VW Caddy ABA - 1980 VW Caddy EV - 1973 VW T-181 |
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