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hitest
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1996 Cadillac taillights, Oh, but that calls someone out... More stupidity. 
I did think originally this thread would be dedicated to stupid questions- but I thought that included existing in addition to fresh material.
Here's mine: What are some basic differences between the average owner of an early air cooled (-67) vs. a later model?
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sb001
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This thread serves no purpose whatsoever.
Not even in an "entertainment value" sort of way.
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johnnypan
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| banditwolf wrote: |
| I've done all my Mig welding by using flux-core wire. Sure it's messier than gas, but I do all of my work in the driveway and it comes out just fine. |
Mig welding the wire is shielded by gas..
Inner shield welding the wire is shielded by a flux core..
So you use innershield wire when welding outside..
Innershield leaves slag,the byproduct of the flux core
Mig leaves no slag,since the shielding is done by gas..for body work,Mig is superior.. |
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johnnypan
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| sb001 wrote: |
This thread serves no purpose whatsoever.
Not even in an "entertainment value" sort of way. |
well,we could get in an argument,thats always good for a few laughs.. |
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Tim Donahoe
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Hitest, the average owner of a 1967 and earlier modle has usually gained more experience in rust restoration.
He also suffers from the illusion that his cheaply made little 1967 and older model is somehow superior to all the cheaply made little 1968 and later models.
Of course, 1968 and up owners can always reclaim their self esteem by calling to mind the Yugo.
So it's all good! 
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Joel
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| johnnypan wrote: |
well,we could get in an argument,thats always good for a few laughs.. |
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johnnypan
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| Tim Donahoe wrote: |
Hitest, the average owner of a 1967 and earlier modle has usually gained more experience in rust restoration.
He also suffers from the illusion that his cheaply made little 1967 and older model is somehow superior to all the cheaply made little 1968 and later models.
Of course, 1968 and up owners can always reclaim their self esteem by calling to mind the Yugo.
So it's all good!
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The cars built during the Nordhoff reign were held to a stricter engineering standard than the '68's and up...after his passing sales gained power over engineering in product design and US emissions standards were kicking in as well.. |
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Tim Donahoe
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I think Heinz Nordhoff was a great CEO (manager). Lotz had a lot more competition, however.
But I can't see how the many improvements from 1968 on can be confused with a higher standard of quality. Perhaps corners were cut. I don't know. But and IRS transmission, larger brakes, McPherson struts, bigger windows--on the front and back--and so many other improvements ... while still keeping the Beetle looking pretty much the same--I don't see the lack of quality there.
What I see is a sort of snobbishness that really has no basis. After all, how many of those "older bugs" switched over from six to twelve volt systems? Or from a generator to an alternator? Lots! And who still runs bias-ply tires?
So it seems that some older-bug owners will pick and choose to make certain parts "newer". Some even sneak in an electric washer pump--because they know how silly the old pneumatic system was, and they kind of like a little squirt or two when the bugs are out in force.
Having said all that, I wouldn't mind having a completely OEM 1933 Ford Coupe--preferably Hunter Green ....
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Rolllinstone
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Sorry for the stupidity of this question, but I am somewhat concerned.
While going through the hassle of titling my car with the dmv, I had to contact the previous owner.
The previous owner is deceased, and his wife said the engine was a new jugs, pistons and I presume heads and the engine was from a super beetle but he hadn't installed it in the 74 standard I got due to needing to drill a hole for fitment. While I could discredit her just from what I'd like to think I know is right, she did seem she knew a lot about the car.
The engine is a ae series engine, and she said it was built to 1600.
What could this hole that needs to be drilled?
Or should i just go with what I'm thinking is right and put it up in the car and see if it fits.
I bought the car in pretty much torn apart process, and am putting everything back together. |
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Joel
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They are talking gibberish, a Super Beetle engine isnt any different.
The only thing that stops different Beetle engines from fitting is flywheel and clutch differences and they can be all over come, hell one of my 74 Beetles had a 61 1200 in it.
One possibility I can think they may be talking about is if its a type 3 engine and doesnt have the dipstick or oil pressure sender hole.
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Hoobie
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| actually they're talking poppycock. gibberish was phased out in '67. |
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ROCKOROD71
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And who still runs bias-ply tires?
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I do in summer  White wall Bias ply tires. The ride is terrible compared to the radials I run in winter, but they look nice! 
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johnnypan
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I think Heinz Nordhoff was a great CEO (manager). Lotz had a lot more competition, however.
But I can't see how the many improvements from 1968 on can be confused with a higher standard of quality. Perhaps corners were cut. I don't know. But and IRS transmission, larger brakes, McPherson struts, bigger windows--on the front and back--and so many other improvements ... while still keeping the Beetle looking pretty much the same--I don't see the lack of quality there.
What I see is a sort of snobbishness that really has no basis. After all, how many of those "older bugs" switched over from six to twelve volt systems? Or from a generator to an alternator? Lots! And who still runs bias-ply tires?
So it seems that some older-bug owners will pick and choose to make certain parts "newer". Some even sneak in an electric washer pump--because they know how silly the old pneumatic system was, and they kind of like a little squirt or two when the bugs are out in force.
Having said all that, I wouldn't mind having a completely OEM 1933 Ford Coupe--preferably Hunter Green ....
Tim |
Hey I owned both,earlys and lates...hell I even have an oval.Thing is, Nordhoffs policy of improving the car for improvements sake without sales pressure on engineering left when he did..Nordhoff needed to be dead before they could roll out the "Jeans Beetle"
If you make a dependable daily driver out of the car often the best results are made by blending parts..my '67 has a modern rotary fuel pump,a 70's alternator and a 50's distributor not to mention counterbalanced crankshaft,radial tires,type 3 starter..
late '31 standard coupe for me..in black please...I cut my mechanic teeth on a Model A.. |
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Sales people need to be beaten physically on a regular basis.
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| Sales people need to be beaten physically on a regular basis. |
Indeed. I just read an article on how AOL abandoned their instant messenger service years ago because it wasn't making them money, despite the fact that everyone on the internet was using it. Their inability to think outside the box basically led to potential billions being lost. Look what the big internet players pay for popular APP companies. Billions. Just for the users, that's it. Sales depts. live in the now because they want that sweet sweet commission/bonus that's right around the corner. They are never to be trusted.
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| asiab3 wrote: |
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Jake Hoff
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How many different color options where there for the interior after 68
It seems like I see alot of choices on the pre 68 bugs. But then just white and black for the latter |
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STUPID QUESTION:
Should I spray Dupli-color rattlecan clear over Dupli-Color Old Ford Blue engine enamel...? Seriously.
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hitest
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If the ford blue is on a ford- it can only be improved. If it's on a VW- the damage is already done...
But semi-seriously, If your block is still unbuilt and naked- do what the Duplicolor instructions say for topcoats (I wouldn't personally). If the engine is built and has been exposed to ANYTHING but fresh paint- don't do it.
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johnnypan
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| Sales people need to be beaten physically on a regular basis. |
Nordhoff and his engineers were the last of a breed where quality sold the product...in an Amercain market where fins and horsepower was paramount and sales ruled the roost Doyle Dane and Bernbach turned Hitlers little car into the premier intellectual choice,to shun the chrome and size...Nordhoffs advertising arm was equal to the bar his engineers set,and a craze was born.. |
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Joel
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| Jake Hoff wrote: |
How many different color options where there for the interior after 68
It seems like I see alot of choices on the pre 68 bugs. But then just white and black for the latter |
There were several other colours like red, brown/tan, cream/offwhite, grey, a mates diamond blue 68 even had a matching pale blue interior.
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