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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 1:05 pm    Post subject: Rear Brakes ID T2 Reply with quote

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64-70 Shoes; 211-609-537E Size: 10" x 1-3/16" (250mm x 30mm)
Note 2 bottom return springs.
Note straight adjuster
Wheel Cylinder; 55-71 the same.
Brake Push Bar and Lever to 7/70.
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71 only shoes; 211-609-537J Size: 9-7/8" x 2-3/16" (248mm x 56mm) The difference between the 64-70 and 71 is the lining Length & Width
Note 1 lower return spring.
Note curved adjuster.

#4
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72 only shoes; 211-609-533B Size: 10" x 2-3/16" (250mm x 56mm)
Note e-brake spreader bar and lever are 72 only.
Wheel Cylinder; 72-79 the same (25mm bore).

#5
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#5 1/2
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Pictures of 77.
73-79 Shoes; 211-609-537N Size: 9-7/8" x 2-3/16" (248mm x 56mm)
This is where it gets interesting. VW deleted the brake shoe retaining pins, springs and seats at some point. There was conflicting information on this subject. One member posted they where deleted in E74 and one posted 76.
Does anyone know when the retaining springs where deleted? Any corrections needed?

#6
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Click on picture to read text. Brake shoe visual cues.

Rear Backing Plates
#2
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Note: early 68 up to chassis #2x8 109 823 had a different backing plate.
L68-70 rear backing plate.

#7
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71-79 rear backing plates. Here again. VW deleted the brake shoe retaining pins, springs and seats at some point.

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Note early 68 up to chassis #2x8 109 823 had a different brake drums.
L68-70 Rear drums.

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71-79 Rear drums.

Brake Shoes
64-70 Shoes; 211-609-537E Size: 10" x 1-3/4" (250mm x 45mm)
71 only shoes; 211-609-537J Size: 9-7/8" x 2-5/32" (248mm x 55mm) The difference between 64-70 and 71 shoes. Is the brake lining Length & Width.
72 only shoes; 211-609-533B Size: 10" x 2-5/32" (250mm x 55mm)
73-79 Shoes; 211-609-537N Size: 9-7/8" x 2-5/32" (248mm x 55mm)

Return Springs
64-79 upper the same.
68-70 lower the same.
71-79 lower the same.

Retainer pins, springs and seats
68-70 Short
71-79 Long

Wheel Cylinders
55-71 the same.
72-79 the same.

Backing Plates
E68 Note early 68 up to chassis #2x8 109 823 had a different backing plate.
L68-70 the same.
71-79 the same with holes and no holes.

Brake Drums
E68 Note early 68 up to chassis #2x8 109 823 had a different brake drums.
L68-70 the same. F&R 250.mm (9.842") Wear limit 251.50 (9.900) 211 501 615 G
71-79 the same. R----252.mm (9.920") Wear limit 253.50 (9.980)

SGKent wrote:
add: the late backing plate sold today as a 71 - 79 bay plate is really a 251- part (Vanagon) backing plate. These require the slightly longer (and thicker) axle spacer or the brake drums rub on the plate.


vwed wrote:
You may be interested to know that all Swedish Bays from August '73 onwards were fitted with self adjusting rear brakes.
M number is 86.
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1 = 113 609 163, Bungs, 14x2mm. x 2.
2 = 211 609 209 B/251 609 209, Mounting insert for brake shoe. x 4.
2A = 211 609 279/251 609 279, Spring pin, 4x39 mm. x 4.
2B = 113 609 283/251 609 283, Pressure spring. x 4.
2C = 113 609 289/251 609 289, Spring disc. x 4.
3 = 211 609 301 C, Tension spring, upper. x 4.
4 = 211 609 309 A/251 609 309, Tension spring, lower. x 2
5 = 211 609 425 H, Backing plate, left.
(5) = 211 609 426 H, Backing plate, right.
6 = 211 609 537 N, Brake shoe.
(6) = 211 698 537 SX, Set of brake shoes with linings, 250x55.
7 = 113 609 601 A, Bearing pin. x 2
8 = 211 609 613 G, Brake lever, left.
8 = 211 609 614 G, Brake lever, right.
9 = N0122282, Spring washer.
10 = 211 609 619, Retaining washer. x 2.
11 = 113 609 801 A, Push rod, left.
(11) = 113 609 802 A, Push rod, right.
12 = 211 609 853, Adjusting lever, left.
(12) = 211 609 854, Adjusting lever, right.
13 = 113 609 859, Tension spring. x 2.
14 = 211 611 047 F, Wheel brake cylinder, 23.81mm. x 2.
15 = N0121082, Retaining washer, 8.4. x 2.
16 = N0102404, Hexagon bolt, M8x20. x 2.
17 = 211 698 135/251 698 135, Set brake linings, 250x55x6.
18 = N0136341, Rivet, 4x7.5. x 40
Later T25/Vanagon part numbers 251 etc, shown where applicable.
Main source: VW microfiche, 2-1976, E, 735.005.20.


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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any visual difference between the third and fifth picture? I don't recognize any difference and I think they both look like my '71 without pulling it apart for a better look.
But both of those pics are missing the clip locating the long spring to the spreader bar.

With the good info this will help a lot of folks in the future.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
Third picture 71 only shoes.
Fifth picture is in reference to the 77 retaining springs and pins.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I realize that the 5th pic is pointing out the retaining springs but is there any difference between all the parts we see in the two pictures? 3rd and 5th?

I.E. is there a visual difference between a '71 and a '77? Or after some inbetween year changes did '77's go back to the very same configuration they abandoned after '71?

EDIT in error I had typed 4th
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take another look. I numbered the pictures.
Not visually. Spring kits are the same. But the brake shoes are different. I do not know if the spreader bar and lever are different or not?
#6 Is showing the deleted brake shoe retaining springs.
Do you happen to know when they deleted the retaining springs?
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The '71 (and earlier) spreader bar is WAY different from the one used on 73-79 busses. The parking brake lever may also be different.

Note in photos #5 and #6 above that the shoes are different. The shoes in #5 are the incorrect shoes some vendors have been selling recently, and
which has been discussed recently on this forum. Photo #5 should really be withdrawn or changed, since the incorrect shoes shown may
well confuse/mislead some viewers.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noting the top spring locations on the 64-70 & 71 shoes.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Rear Brakes ID Reply with quote

Aren't 68 rear drums single year parts?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Rear Brakes ID Reply with quote

Hikelite wrote:
Aren't 68 rear drums single year parts?


Did not catch that, thank you, edited post above.

thnx to jerseylooker, prts fiche refers you to Workshop Bulletin B - 14
http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/EarlyBaywindow/5-
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Karl wrote:
From the beginning of 68 to mid 68, the rear backing plates and drums are special and RARE! Up to vin 2x8 109 823.
From vin 2x8 109 824, rear drum 211 501 615 G was used to the end of 1970 model yr.
From vin 2x8 109 824, rear backing plate 211 609 439 D and 440 D was used to the end of the 70 model yr.

The old parts book does not even list the early 68 part numbers. It refers you to Workshop Bulletin B - 14/68 to upgrade to the later parts listed above.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Rear Brakes ID Reply with quote

add: the late backing plate sold today as a 71 - 79 bay plate is really a 251- part (Vanagon) backing plate. These require the slightly longer (and thicker) axle spacer or the brake drums rub on the plate.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear Brakes ID Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear Brakes ID T2 Reply with quote

Thanks for all of this information. I am a new VW owner and learning as much as I can. I am renovating a '72 VW Bay Window Bus and attempting to locate emergency brake Levers and Spreader Bars. I am finding that 1972 was a strange year for Buses and am having a really difficult time finding those parts. This thread was incredibly helpful, but does anyone know actual part numbers for the 72 levers and bars? I don't necessarily need original parts. Just some way to get my Emergency brake fixed because whoever owned the bus before me changed the shoes but didn't put all the hardware back. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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mitchell12345 wrote:
Thanks for all of this information. I am a new VW owner and learning as much as I can. I am renovating a '72 VW Bay Window Bus and attempting to locate emergency brake Levers and Spreader Bars. I am finding that 1972 was a strange year for Buses and am having a really difficult time finding those parts. This thread was incredibly helpful, but does anyone know actual part numbers for the 72 levers and bars? I don't necessarily need original parts. Just some way to get my Emergency brake fixed because whoever owned the bus before me changed the shoes but didn't put all the hardware back. Any help is greatly appreciated.


68-72 Parts manual
Thnx to jersey
http://www.jerseylooker.com/FicheDump/EarlyBaywindow/EarlyBay-Main.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear Brakes ID T2 Reply with quote

Thanks Tcash! Planning on putting new shoes on as well. Will let you know how it goes!
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