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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3921 Location: England
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 4:30 am Post subject: |
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No. That's the other one. This one has a VIN 100 or so away.
Rob Copeland would frown on you guys!
Rob, fancy another road trip? _________________ -StockRocks- |
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otahuhu Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2007 Posts: 561
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:10 am Post subject: |
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RockStock wrote: |
No. That's the other one. This one has a VIN 100 or so away.
Rob Copeland would frown on you guys!
Rob, fancy another road trip? |
Maybe its perfectly fine were it is, if it even exists? I can just imagine the reception you would receive when you got here, right this way "rockstock" beer? naked virgin? last NZ Bdoor deluxe?… "yeah right" |
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3921 Location: England
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Checked with your mate Tony? Tickets booked, pretty boy _________________ -StockRocks- |
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tedz Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2004 Posts: 46 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:03 am Post subject: |
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With the rising value of these barndoors true colours are beginning to show. _________________ Cheers Tedz. (20-106513) |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 877 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 11:18 am Post subject: |
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RockStock wrote: |
No. That's the other one. This one has a VIN 100 or so away.
Rob Copeland would frown on you guys!
Rob, fancy another road trip? |
I only do piano-hinge deluxes _________________ 1951 Samba 20-017894
1952 Samba 20-028952 |
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Ian 68 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2011 Posts: 176 Location: From Bristol UK now in Australia.
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Gents,
Some fantastic info has been given freely here and for that I'm very grateful to all.
At no point do I want this thread to turn into a hunt for buses that may or not be there, we all know they are still out there, we all know people are prepared to spend huge sums of coin hunting them down, extracting them for all manners of places and then restoring them ...there are threads on here for that.
I'm interested in the history of the buses that came here and hopefully get people to share that info, if possible can we stay on topic and encourage those with info on these buses to share it freely. I'm happy to take PM's and share my email address if people have historic info / photo's etc that they'd not like to share on a public forum.
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otahuhu Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2007 Posts: 561
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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RockStock wrote: |
Checked with your mate Tony? Tickets booked, pretty boy |
Nothing useful to add "rockstock"?
Ian, I am going to be starting on my single cab next month, I would be happy to take photos of differences as I see them, glass, vinyl,paint etc as I go. This thread could be a really useful resource for anyone with an Aus or NZ bdoor, would be nice to see it kept that way. I also have few of the water slide dash transfers from some of the original dealers that I can add, I don't have any from "Jowet motors" though unfortunately…
"Tedz. (20-106513)" Maybe you have some photos/ info to add since your bus is an NZ assembled one? |
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tedz Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2004 Posts: 46 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Nicely put, Ian68.
Ill be at Valla, look forward to meeting you.
Otahuhu, photos are non existent at the moment it may have been assembled in NZ but somewhere along the way it got disassembled in NZ too. I have the important parts to make a start with and am still waiting on the birth certificate. _________________ Cheers Tedz. (20-106513) |
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Ian 68 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2011 Posts: 176 Location: From Bristol UK now in Australia.
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I hope to be at Valla, maybe just go down for a day or 2, hope to meet you also.
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2103 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:11 am Post subject: |
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If some of these buses were delivered as completely disassambled kits, do you have any information how they were assembled ? would this have been a small factory with a line or do you think theY were just a garage, with few men. like with British bikes that arrived in a wooden crate and would need the handlebars and lights added? _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
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55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
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Simon851 Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2011 Posts: 15 Location: New zealand
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:59 am Post subject: |
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My New Zealand single cab barndoor has this number found on the bulk head 268 ckd |
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Simon851 wrote: |
My New Zealand single cab barndoor has this number found on the bulk head 268 ckd |
that sounds crazy ! haven't heard about anything Wolfsburg built like that. that it would carry thh C ompletely K nocked D own short also in the body nr ! so this probably means it is the 268th body delivered as a knocked down version (worldwide probably, not NZ only). sounds as if they would've stamped it like that in Germany.
sounds logical that Ian's door top numbers are not alike. they probably took the doors of the CKD stash they got shipped. _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
Barndoor + Kohlruss Coachbuilt and Oval afficionado
52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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Ian 68 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2011 Posts: 176 Location: From Bristol UK now in Australia.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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djfordmanjack wrote: |
Simon851 wrote: |
My New Zealand single cab barndoor has this number found on the bulk head 268 ckd |
that sounds crazy ! haven't heard about anything Wolfsburg built like that. that it would carry thh C ompletely K nocked D own short also in the body nr ! so this probably means it is the 268th body delivered as a knocked down version (worldwide probably, not NZ only). sounds as if they would've stamped it like that in Germany.
sounds logical that Ian's door top numbers are not alike. they probably took the doors of the CKD stash they got shipped. |
The info I have is that mine came over fully assembled, the door top numbers are only a couple of digits EG 123 and I have 125, I dont have CKD stamped into the body anywhere either, my speedo is stamped 3/55 also.
I'm going to get in touch today with the previous owner and see if he has any info of the guy he bought it from, maybe go from there and track down as much history as possible. |
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Simon851 Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2011 Posts: 15 Location: New zealand
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I have posted a picture of the 268 CKD writing on the barn door gallery section. It looks to be written in chalk or crayon |
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Ian 68 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2011 Posts: 176 Location: From Bristol UK now in Australia.
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Simon851 wrote: |
I have posted a picture of the 268 CKD writing on the barn door gallery section. It looks to be written in chalk or crayon |
Simon,
Just had a look at the pictures ( being honest it';s the 1st time I've ever looked in the gallery )
Man that is one hell of an effort with this SC, hats off to you Sir, top job.
Very interested to know how you tackled the front and rear ends regarding running gear and lowering.
Again well done, I do love the single cabs, we have a May 55 SC so not quite BD. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69733 Location: Phoenix Metro
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2103 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:19 am Post subject: |
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why are the letters rusted so much ? do you think the crayon was on the bare metal from shipping, so the primer and later paint would not stick properly to the metal where the crayon was ? interesting detail.
Would they ship the CKD units in bare metal ? must have rusted badly in the month of overseas shipping. primer on the ckd panels would have been bad for spot welding then. I read that NZ Oval era beetles had different paint codes from Wolfsburg stock. so does the NZ BD blue match dove blue ? _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
Barndoor + Kohlruss Coachbuilt and Oval afficionado
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55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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Ian 68 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2011 Posts: 176 Location: From Bristol UK now in Australia.
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:25 am Post subject: |
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djfordmanjack wrote: |
why are the letters rusted so much ? do you think the crayon was on the bare metal from shipping, so the primer and later paint would not stick properly to the metal where the crayon was ? interesting detail.
Would they ship the CKD units in bare metal ? must have rusted badly in the month of overseas shipping. primer on the ckd panels would have been bad for spot welding then. I read that NZ Oval era beetles had different paint codes from Wolfsburg stock. so does the NZ BD blue match dove blue ? |
Some great questions...the one that really interests me is about your reference to Dove blue.
Are there any more original paint Dove blue NZ BD buses out there ??
Is mine the only 1 left ? I truly hope not ! |
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otahuhu Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:34 am Post subject: |
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There is a really good ex NZ og paint single cab in Australia , maybe a couple left here. There is also the oddball NZ bdoor green, I will take a pic of this tomorrow for you, if I get the chance. Not sure re: the bdoors, but Ive seen other og paint NZ assembled ribbed bumper buses, that had black cab door frames, all white pressed bumpers, and white hubcaps.
To answer "djfordmanjack's" question… it does look like the grease pen on Simons bulkhead with the ckd lettering has worn off allowing the panel to rust, which possibly does suggest the panels were shipped here unpainted. the cars were fully assembled here in jigs, from german panels, interesting question re the primer? photos in the assembly book look like bare metal?
I dont have my copy of the book here but from what I recall, there were two factories here, the first a smaller assembly plant on K road Auckland? were they had previously made other makes, Jowett, Bradford etc the second was purpose built at Otahuhu sth Auckland. 1203 vehicles were assembled in the first year incl 500 or so bdoors so Simons bus could easily be the 268 th ckd bus or VW. Production did not begin at the start of the year, so it would obviously have increased from the initial 1200 units the following year. I wonder when the last bdoor assembled here was? when the last of the parts was used up? |
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2103 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:17 am Post subject: |
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please share the pics of the original assembly book, when you find them! Would be very interesting how they built them in NZ in comparison to Germany. are there any workers living to tell the story ? _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
Barndoor + Kohlruss Coachbuilt and Oval afficionado
52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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