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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

There’s a free cad out there somewhere?
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

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I decided to do the planning on CAD, otherwise to much trail and error Laughing

Pssshhh Rolling Eyes You can’t get it done drawing it out on the computer. Very Happy



We'll see Wink
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

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I decided to do the planning on CAD, otherwise to much trail and error Laughing

Pssshhh Rolling Eyes You can’t get it done drawing it out on the computer. Very Happy

Lop the original tracks off (since they’re not for a Ghia anyway), bolt some steel to the bottom of the seat, toss it in the car, make some pieces to fill the void, & stitch it all together.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

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I suppose if the seat tracks will allow the seat to travel far enough forward, then the seat back would not really need to fold.

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Right on target! I have new seat tracks from the second row seats of a mini van. They have plenty of travel built-in for access to the third row - well, or second in my Ghia Very Happy

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Quick Update

Modern seat tracks work nicely, but they make things a little tricky:
- Seats are partly below the top surface of the new tracks
- Release mechanism needs to be actuated synchon on both tracks
- They are somewhat sensible to an absolute flat monting surface (and I am sure the conditions will be different with and without pan mounted to body Rolling Eyes

I decided to do the planning on CAD, otherwise to much trail and error Laughing First Draft below:
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Here is a link to the seats Stateside.
http://www.factoryfiveparts.com/16325-black-vinyl-roadster-seats/

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

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Thanks Jeffrey!

All - guess what's next? Laughing

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what seats are these? cobra? I've been looking into seats, but I'm a bit of a stocky guy. im 172cm and 110 kilos. so im a bit worried on pulling the trigger on seats with the fear that they will be too narrow. and chance i can get measurements of those seats and where you got them


I use Roadster XL. If you have a chance try them at a dealer, to sit in one because they really make them from narrow to wide for your own taste and fit. I bought mine from Bodo Schlaeper @ https://www.cobrasitz24.de/impressum/ he is a really nice guy.

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No dealersmin Croatia for Any kinda seat. So I’m kinda flying blind
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

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I really like the seats, will be following with interest how you arrange the tracks!
The tachometer in the clock is really brilliant, do you have any more details on what you used, how you did, etc..? I would love it in mine!
Thanks
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Antoine - First I bought an Autometer tach with 30 deg increments. I used the hands and the clock face from a broken Ghia time clock. An old speedometer had to doner its housing. I opened up the speedometer housing for the tach hausing to fit into it from the rear. I adjusted the depth of the tach, so that the Ghia face, now mounted to the tach, would reside at its original depth. Cut the tach housing to match the speedo housing and welded the two together. I used an insolating material to create the electric connectors and used it to cover the remaining opening from the original fuel clock. I made two adapters on a lathe, to match a) the long hands to the tach and b) the short one to the adjuster from the time clock's glass. The large hand's short end was filled with solder to weight balance both ends Laughing Correct hand color was mixed and the two hands re-painted - DONE Twisted Evil


Thanks a lot, I will start to look after it, really love this idea!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Gwarballs wrote:
halbug wrote:
Thanks Jeffrey!

All - guess what's next? Laughing

Cheers
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what seats are these? cobra? I've been looking into seats, but I'm a bit of a stocky guy. im 172cm and 110 kilos. so im a bit worried on pulling the trigger on seats with the fear that they will be too narrow. and chance i can get measurements of those seats and where you got them


I use Roadster XL. If you have a chance try them at a dealer, to sit in one because they really make them from narrow to wide for your own taste and fit. I bought mine from Bodo Schlaeper @ https://www.cobrasitz24.de/impressum/ he is a really nice guy.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

TRS63 wrote:
I really like the seats, will be following with interest how you arrange the tracks!
The tachometer in the clock is really brilliant, do you have any more details on what you used, how you did, etc..? I would love it in mine!
Thanks
Antoine


Antoine - First I bought an Autometer tach with 30 deg increments. I used the hands and the clock face from a broken Ghia time clock. An old speedometer had to doner its housing. I opened up the speedometer housing for the tach hausing to fit into it from the rear. I adjusted the depth of the tach, so that the Ghia face, now mounted to the tach, would reside at its original depth. Cut the tach housing to match the speedo housing and welded the two together. I used an insolating material to create the electric connectors and used it to cover the remaining opening from the original fuel clock. I made two adapters on a lathe, to match a) the long hands to the tach and b) the short one to the adjuster from the time clock's glass. The large hand's short end was filled with solder to weight balance both ends Laughing Correct hand color was mixed and the two hands re-painted - DONE Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Gwarballs wrote:
halbug wrote:
Thanks Jeffrey!

All - guess what's next? Laughing

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Cheers
Lars


what seats are these? cobra? I've been looking into seats, but I'm a bit of a stocky guy. im 172cm and 110 kilos. so im a bit worried on pulling the trigger on seats with the fear that they will be too narrow. and chance i can get measurements of those seats and where you got them

Looking at the Cobra Seats website, it appears that the Roadster style seat is available in three different variations - Roadster SS, Roadster SR, and Roadster XL/XL+.

This is the info for the Roadster XL/XL+ ...

CobraSeats.com wrote:
Roadster XL/XL+

The Roadster XL contains all of the design features of the Roadster SR, but offers more generous seating, while the Roadster XL+ can accommodate a larger driver still.

FEATURES
Classic/period fixed back sports seat
Traditional styling with modern construction
Tubular steel frame with base suspension diaphragm
Wider hip area for increased comfort
Heavy duty standard vinyl upholstery in black or grey
Extensive vinyl and leather Signature options

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

I really like the seats, will be following with interest how you arrange the tracks!
The tachometer in the clock is really brilliant, do you have any more details on what you used, how you did, etc..? I would love it in mine!
Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:20 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

halbug wrote:
Thanks Jeffrey!

All - guess what's next? Laughing

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Cheers
Lars


what seats are these? cobra? I've been looking into seats, but I'm a bit of a stocky guy. im 172cm and 110 kilos. so im a bit worried on pulling the trigger on seats with the fear that they will be too narrow. and chance i can get measurements of those seats and where you got them
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

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I suppose if the seat tracks will allow the seat to travel far enough forward, then the seat back would not really need to fold.

...


Right on target! I have new seat tracks from the second row seats of a mini van. They have plenty of travel built-in for access to the third row - well, or second in my Ghia Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Thank you for the info and link, halbug - much appreciated.

One quesion for you, though - do you plan to compensate in some way for the fact that those seat backs are fixed and can not fold forward to make for easier entry to/exit from the back seat area?

I suppose if the seat tracks will allow the seat to travel far enough forward, then the seat back would not really need to fold.

Seeing how you've proceeded with both your Beetle in the past and the Karmann Ghia project thus far, though, I'd imagine you probably have some sort of custom fabricated mounting already planned out which will solve the problem in an elegant and creative manner. Smile

For example, perhaps a way to allow pivoting at the front edge so that the entire seat can be raised up and tilted forward? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Thank you!
And this is exactly why I bought them: "very cool retro 50s Sports Car look to them, ... and they look as though they'd be pretty comfortable and supportive as well." All of this Very Happy

These are Cobra Seats - Roadster XL to be precise: https://www.cobraseats.com/historic.html

They are made in Great Britain, but you may want to check for a local dealer.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

halbug wrote:
Thanks Jeffrey!

All - guess what's next? Laughing

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...
Cheers
Lars

Those seats have a very cool retro 50s Sports Car look to them, ... and they look as though they'd be pretty comfortable and supportive as well.

IMO, they are an absolutely perfect choice for the direction you've taken with your Karmann Ghia. and I can't wait to see the completed project.

Are they genuinely vintage, or new reproduction seats?
What can you tell us about them?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Thanks Jeffrey!

All - guess what's next? Laughing

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Before starting on the new seats and modern style seat tracks, I had to remove the original Thing seat tracks - no fun!!! Rolling Eyes

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The pan showed quiet some signs from the long storage, from before I bought it. It took me some hours to smoothen all the dings and dents. But it's a clean straight pan now.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

Yeah Man. That's tedium right there.
Quite the feat. Kudos on the mock up.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

The steering rack in place - with wooden brackets for try out:

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The final brackets are being machined from aluminum right now. The idea of using the original steering column hole seems to be working - at least with my cardboard mock-up Laughing

I will have to place a bearing into the assembly, because I am using three joints. I will get back to this once the body is on the pan, because the mock-up is not exact enough to fabricate the bearing holder at this time.

But I am glad that everything looks like it is working all right Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Ghia coming home Reply with quote

I don't want water and dirt in my torsion spring tubes Cool

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Sealer and wax will keep them dry.
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