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Sodo Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Thats a lot of winching, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that. And at night. But yeah stereo & refrigerator blasting..... _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12008 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Good looking out fxr. |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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When I replaced the 90A alternator with the 110A alternator, I really noticed a difference in the speed of the wipers and fans when commuting in the dark and the rain. Instead of slowing down like they used to, the wipers and fans now stay at the same speed when I'm at a stoplight. I didn't notice any difference in the speed of the starter.
Well worth the small effort to replace it. _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9620 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Jake de Villiers wrote: |
Instead of slowing down like they used to, the wipers and fans now stay at the same speed when I'm at a stoplight. |
Good indication that your van was using all the 90A could "put out at idle". That should show up in a voltage gauge (ala the fxr 14.4v note above).
Jake de Villiers wrote: |
I didn't notice any difference in the speed of the starter. |
Not suprising. The starter can't spin the bigger alternator fast enough to speed itself up.... _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Sodo wrote: |
Jake de Villiers wrote: |
Instead of slowing down like they used to, the wipers and fans now stay at the same speed when I'm at a stoplight. |
Good indication that your van was using all the 90A could "put out at idle". That should show up in a voltage gauge (ala the fxr 14.4v note above).
Jake de Villiers wrote: |
I didn't notice any difference in the speed of the starter. |
Not suprising. The starter can't spin the bigger alternator fast enough to speed itself up.... |
Ha-ha, Tom! I merely meant to impart that the battery was being fully charged with the smaller capacity alternator.
I should also mention that I have two batteries, two engine ground straps and two transaxle ground straps to go with the one regular 2.1 WBX starter that spins my Subie motor with alacrity. _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
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blurat Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2012 Posts: 50 Location: Central Ca
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Hi, I have the 94 2.2. If I get a later model alternator from the ones you described, how bout the wiring harness at the alt. Do they have to be from the same year or do multiple years fit?
My local piknpul only has vehicles up to 2002 and not many at that.
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2015 Posts: 704 Location: Berkeley Ca
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:30 am Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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I got mine on ebay for $30 shipped and no tax. |
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blurat Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2012 Posts: 50 Location: Central Ca
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:49 am Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Missed that post on page 2 about the harness. All good here. Thanks for the info and input
Chris |
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kalispell365 Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2010 Posts: 889 Location: PNW
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Another improvement I now do on these alternator upgrades is to purchase a 4 gauge marine grade tinned wire and run it directly from the charge stud on the alternator to the starter stud on the van. You can buy these pre made and crimped on Ebay by length cheaply. You then remove all the original patched together charge wires, which are usually larger gauge white on the Subaru end and red on the Vanagon end. _________________ 1983 Diesel Vanagon Westfalia chassis with Subaru 2.2l |
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kalispell365 Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2010 Posts: 889 Location: PNW
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pbrown Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2008 Posts: 443 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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I'm just wrapping up the rebuild on a 2003 EJ25. I want to upgrade the alternator while I'm at it. The original alternator fits well on the pivot bracket. The new 110A one has a lot of slop front to back. Do I need to find a mount from a newer engine? Maybe use a washer as a shim? I'm concerned about belt alignment. _________________ Patrick Brown
1986 Westy Syncro EJ25
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2015 Posts: 704 Location: Berkeley Ca
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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pbrown wrote: |
I'm just wrapping up the rebuild on a 2003 EJ25. I want to upgrade the alternator while I'm at it. The original alternator fits well on the pivot bracket. The new 110A one has a lot of slop front to back. Do I need to find a mount from a newer engine? Maybe use a washer as a shim? I'm concerned about belt alignment. |
Strange, mine was tight and I had to file it down a bit. I think a washer would be fine |
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kalispell365 Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2010 Posts: 889 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:27 am Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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pbrown wrote: |
I'm just wrapping up the rebuild on a 2003 EJ25. I want to upgrade the alternator while I'm at it. The original alternator fits well on the pivot bracket. The new 110A one has a lot of slop front to back. Do I need to find a mount from a newer engine? Maybe use a washer as a shim? I'm concerned about belt alignment. |
You probably just need to tighten it more, there is a friction sleeve on the rear ear of the alternator which is moveable, and whoever last removed your alternator probably pushed it out some. _________________ 1983 Diesel Vanagon Westfalia chassis with Subaru 2.2l |
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Franz Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 345 Location: Grand Junction
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:20 am Post subject: |
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mackaymanx wrote: |
Be very careful with this, later alternators are controlled by the ecu. I used an alternator from a 2006 Liberty(Legacy) on my 1996 EJ22 in my Syncro conversion and it put out 20 volts.
Not sure if they use pulse width modulation or some other method to control the voltage but the engine ECU is involved. |
I need some help with an ee20 diesel alternator. I can't get a 12v charge (idiot)light signal out of any of the 3 wires. I've been pouring over these forums and anything subaru swap related for answers. The ee20 alternator must work differently than others? Computer controlled?
According to stock subaru ee20 wiring diagram:
1 black/yellow - to charge light on dash
2 white/red - to switched 12v ignition
3 black red - to ecm
Why does the black/red go to the ecm? That would mean that the ecm is regulating charging voltage?
Seems like I have tried everything. Maybe I have a bad unit, or fried something with all the testing?
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Franz Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 345 Location: Grand Junction
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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I've tried battery + 12v to every wire.
Only the black/yellow has any effect. I get 15.3v at the battery+ terminal, and 6.3 volts out of the black/red....not enough to turn out the idiot light.
If I apply 12v to the black/red, I get 1.3volts at the black/yellow, but not any charge voltage.
Must have a bad alternator? Or is it computer controled?
If it matters I am not testing with the idiot light circuit attached to the alternator. I fear that the fridge relay and aux. battery relay may cause issues with the light not going out as well. I should be able to read 12volts at the wire that will go to the idiot light without it being connected?
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2015 Posts: 704 Location: Berkeley Ca
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:23 am Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Maybe start a new thread? Specify you have question for ee20 diesel. Greg should know. |
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Franz Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 345 Location: Grand Junction
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:45 am Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Maybe a moderator could split my ee20 stuff from this thread?
I've been talking with boxeer.com Greg. He didn't know. This is one of his euro 6 engines that he was selling a year and a half ago.
He had one of his other customers contact me to tell me how to attach the wires.
I think his customer may have the euro 5 engine because the plug at the alternator looked different, and his wiring did not work for me.
Or I have a bad alternator. Which would be Greg's issue again. |
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Franz Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 345 Location: Grand Junction
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:46 am Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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I just pulled the alternator off.
It has a one way clutch on the pulley. I can spin the pulley and armature independently. See the bearing on the end of the pulley? Has anybody seen this?
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baltik Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:49 am Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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Ok, clearly I'm an idiot - i want to upgrade my alternator with a rebuilt unit I got from Rob
I have the old style 2 wire connector
I bought the new style 3 wire alternator harness
what do I hookup where?
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termuehlen Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2012 Posts: 994 Location: Redwood City
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: 110 amp alternator upgrade for your Subaru conversion CHEAP |
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For the 23700-AA370 alternator, the pin closest to the 12V+ Post is connected to the alternator light in the instrument cluster, the middle pin is connected to 12V+ field wiring to "sense" the voltage, and the last pin is unused (farthest away from 12V+ Post). If you do a search here you will find numerous posts with more information. _________________ 1988 Westfalia automatic Subaru OBD1
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