upright engine in a Vanagon possible?

zombievws

I have a 84 vanagon 2wd I just picked up with a bad engine. is it possible to run a upright beetle engine in it until the wasserboxer is rebuilt?
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zombievws · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:55 am Post subject:

only to get the suspension set up and ride height. see how it drives/handles and make sure the brakes all work. not as a driver. lol
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Zeitgeist 13 · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:10 am Post subject:

I think you'd have some interference issues between the shroud and firewall, and you'd need to cobble together an engine mounting bar. A Type 3 engine would be a better candidate. The lack of a sealed source of cooling air would mean you could only run the engine for short periods
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IdahoDoug · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:19 am Post subject:

The post title led me to believe this was entirely about something else, for which the answer is "yes".
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Terry Kay · Banned Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331

The answer is absolutley not.
The fan shroud is too tall to fit into the engine compartment, unless you leave the engine cover off, and have the fan sticking up & protruding behind the rear seat.
Not a wise selection of engine transplants anyway.
Talk about getting nowhere fast---
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Syncroincity · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:51 pm Post subject:

Nooooope.

Maybe a Type 3 or Type 4 engine with longitudinal fan flow, but it won't last long without engine bay air seals.

Plenty of WBX engines floating around due to swaps, make some calls and put up a wanted ad.
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Zeitgeist 13 · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:54 pm Post subject:

His second post pretty much clarifies that it's for temporary research purposes only
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Syncroincity · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject:

Terry Kay · Banned Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331

Sure a bunch of Dr. Frankenstein adaptation to find out if the brakes work.

Find out how it handles?

Not anything like what you took out of there---
Your lucky if the Van moves with a Bug engine in it---you'd be money& time ahead towing it with your Chevy Pick up truck to find that out---
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danfromsyr · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:31 am Post subject:

some guys only read the 1st post most of the times.. Rolling Eyes

Terry Kay · Banned Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331

This is exactly why VW came out with the suitcase engine with the fan on the end of the crankshaft in the type 2's.
The Bug upright fan shroud won't fit in the type 2 Buses, or Vanagons becuase of the firewall location to the floor.

Check that out prior to making yourself all kinds of work & then find out it ain't gonna fly.
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Zeitgeist 13 · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:58 am Post subject:

For his purposes, the engine could probably be run without a shroud at all. AC engines can be run for surprisingly long periods without any cooling air, provided they're not under a prolonged load.
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16CVs · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:54 am Post subject:

There was a guy who had an upright in a red 2WD a couple of years ago on Samba ,he was somewhere in the south and was trying to sell it. It had all if its tin on it as I remember .

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Terry Kay · Banned Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331

Here it is !!

A new fad in Vanagonland !

Do not go forward with a Subaru, or Zetec conversion, go backwards to an air cooled bug engine!

No heat, no highway speeds , no AC, no power steering, back to the basics.

Perfect----you got it all covered.
One step beyond.
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wcdennis · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:11 pm Post subject:

BenT Syncro · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:12 am Post subject:

You could fit the sheetmetal shrouding for the CT series engine as used on the T25's in the UK. Somebody was selling some NOS sheetmetal parts for that engine on Samba recently. Too much trouble IMHO.

The T25 Singlecab which was discussed here last month had a CT engine at some point in it's life before I owned it. I recall seeing a Syncro parts van with a CT engine in it at Quality German Autoparts, some years ago. It looked weird but kept the vehicle mobile.
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danfromsyr · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:23 am Post subject:

Zeitgeist 13 · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:25 am Post subject:

danfromsyr · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:50 am Post subject:

so I picked up on the "not as a drive" bit
that statement seems to contradict itself as you have to drive(r) it to test the brakes etc..

I withdraw my facepalm and just shake my head in zombie induced disarray
Embarassed

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syncrodoka · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:01 am Post subject:


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